Thread: Yup, Jay is not a drama queen

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

If Jay refuses to talk, what is McDaniels suppose to do?

I can just see it now. McDaniels and Xanders sitting outside of Cutler's house throwing pebbles at the window. "Please come out, Jay".

LMAO...Good one Chaz!

Originally Posted by SuperCharged!!!

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WOW! Congratulations. Thanks to Jay you guys are front page news again...

"Jay Cutler's whining about a trade that didn't happen reflects badly on a QB who hasn't won anything"

What has Phyllis won?

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

If Jay refuses to talk, what is McDaniels suppose to do?

I can just see it now. McDaniels and Xanders sitting outside of Cutler's house throwing pebbles at the window. "Please come out, Jay".

I don't know how I can make this any clearer. Assuming that McDaniels didn't try to trade away Cutler but only fielded offers he should have right then and there talked with his quarterback and told him what was happening but he didn't so now the lines of communication are down.

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

Just which players are you talking about with this tidbit " done nothing but alienate players" Mike leach? is about the only situation I did not agree with.. Jay well he is a drama queen that can't keep his mouth shut..

That is the agents job to settle his QB down and tell him to keep his yap shut..

They asked for a meeting and he declined to come to it.. I'll even bet they would have sent Pats Jet for him..

The extended their hand to talk he just decided to whine some more..

Who is the boss who is the employee?

If some moron did that to me I'd fire his ass so fast it take a week for the paperwork to catch up to him..


As for bringing in "and bring in shit free agents. "

perhaps there is more to this than you can comprehend.. the defense was in total shambles and the O needed work.. they have a limited budget..

Maybe they have a plan that will become apparent in the next few months..

Until he does something really stupid like trying to fire Pat he has my backing..


I'm guessing that many folks who have never supervised employees and have never owned a business and had to work within budgets will never get it..

Maybe they do have a plan, I just do not see it. It looks like its been a mess thus far.

As for the alienated players, I would say Scheffler, Cutler, and probably marshall (cause of the Jay thing), leach, which doesnt count more. Its impossible to see who is pissed when None of them are my personal friends.

I will tell you I expected allot more positives than the negatives. And Dawkins is the only positive Ive seen.

Signing Paxton was also just a silly move, that I may need explained to me.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Fine, but what about the guy that wears the damn "C" on his jersey not firing off a bunch of whining and bitching to the media every few weeks? For a guy that "plays for the players and not the coaches", I'd think he'd prefer to keep problems a little more quiet.

But I forgot...Cutler is a saint.

Didn't you know he has a rocket arm and for that he should be given a free pass.. regardless if anything, but make some bad decisions because of it..

to some:

• he is the Messiah..
  
• he has a lot of potential..
  
• he is a cry baby..
  
• he has the potential to be Jeff George..

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I don't know how I can make this any clearer. Assuming that McDaniels didn't try to trade away Cutler but only fielded offers he should have right then and there talked with his quarterback and told him what was happening but he didn't so now lines of communication are down.

Jay is just like any other player. If they field an offer and say no, they aren't going to immediately call the player and tell them that they fielded an offer for him. They have no requirement to do so, nor should they.

Jay found out about it through a leak from, we're now assuming, the Patriots, and flew off the handle, most likely before even considering calling the front office.

How to handle this better:
Adam Schefter: Hey, Jay, how's it going man? How are you?
Jay: Adam, why you calling me man, it's March. I like the Dawkins signing.
Adam: No, no, although, I do too, but I guess you might have been part of a trade.
Jay: Really. I can't comment yet. Let me call Pat, and I'll call you right back.

So do you all think that McD really wanted Cassel? And he did back out (maybe that's not the right term to use) before or after Cassel was signed by the Chiefs?

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Jay is just like any other player. If they field an offer and say no, they aren't going to immediately call the player and tell them that they fielded an offer for him. They have no requirement to do so, nor should they.

Jay found out about it through a leak from, we're now assuming, the Patriots, and flew off the handle, most likely before even considering calling the front office.

How to handle this better:
Adam Schefter: Hey, Jay, how's it going man? How are you?
Jay: Adam, why you calling me man, it's March. I like the Dawkins signing.
Adam: No, no, although, I do too, but I guess you might have been part of a trade.
Jay: Really. I can't comment yet. Let me call Pat, and I'll call you right back.

If they really weren't serious about the offers yes they should called Jay, because you have to very naive to think it wouldn't be leaked.

I don't really like this article, but it has some truths to it. I believe that Cutler had a right to be angry. Here it is anyways.

Will someone please give Jay Cutler his pacifier, hand him his favorite blankie and put him back in his crib for his afternoon nap? Because if he cries anymore about a trade that didn't happen, we'll have to check his Pampers.

Cutler is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos. At least for now he is.

Turns out the Broncos are/were shopping him. The three-way trade between the Broncos, New England Patriots and Tampa Bay Buccaneers didn't reach critical mass, but names (Cutler to the Bucs, Matt Cassel to the Broncos) and numbers (first- and fourth-round draft picks to the Patriots) were discussed.

But it didn't happen. Repeat: didn't happen.

Instead, the Patriots traded Cassel and his franchise-tag salary to the Kansas City Chiefs. And Cutler is still a Bronco.

But the mere thought of a possible trade upset Cutler so much that he went into full waaaa-waaaa-waaaa mode, wailing like an infant. Why are they being so mean to me? That sort of thing.

"I'm upset," he told The Denver Post. "I mean, I'm really shocked at this point."

And this from Cutler's agent, James "Bus" Cook, who told The Associated Press, "Nobody's going to call the [New York] Giants and ask for Eli [Manning]. Nobody's calling the [Indianapolis] Colts asking about Peyton [Manning]. [Tom] Brady? Come on. So, why call Denver and ask about Jay? And if they do call, why not say, 'That's not for discussion. What else do you want?'"

Why call Denver and ask about Cutler? Because the Broncos haven't reached the playoffs since the 2005 season. Because Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20. Because new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels just happened to coach Cassel last season. And Cassel's team finished 11-5, including a 41-7 victory against Cutler's Broncos in October.

Nobody is calling the Giants and the Colts about the Manning brothers because the Manning brothers actually reach the postseason and have won Super Bowls. And here's guessing somebody called the Patriots asking whether Brady might be available.

Cook, more than anyone, should know that anything is possible in the NFL. Just ask Brett Favre, one of Cook's longtime clients.

Don't get me wrong -- Cutler is a talent, possibly a major talent. His numbers keep tracking upward (4,526 passing yards, 25 touchdowns in '08), but so do his turnovers (18 interceptions, including four in Denver's last three games -- all losses) and hissy fits.

None of this Cutler trade talk likely would have happened if Mike Shanahan were still the Broncos' head coach. Shanahan is the guy who drafted Cutler with the 11th pick of the 2006 draft. They were attached at the hip pads.

But Shanahan is Broncos history. It happens. Last week it happened to 11-time Pro Bowl linebacker Derrick Brooks of the Bucs. He was cut after 14 years.

Brooks didn't pout like Cutler. And his agent didn't issue any angry criticisms of the Bucs' decision. Instead, Brooks articulated the essential truth of the NFL: It's business, not personal.

"Everybody has a picture that they want painted their own particular way, but when the picture's not painted your way, you don't kick and scream," Brooks told reporters. "You be a man about it."

Cutler is kicking and screaming. Poor baby. He stiffed the Broncos when they requested a kiss-and-make-up session. Word is he won't even talk to McDaniels on the phone.

So what if the Broncos considered proposals from the Bucs? Who cares whether they listened to an offer from the Detroit Lions? When you haven't reached the playoffs since '05, when you gag away a three-game division lead with three games left, you listen to everybody about anybody.

Come to think about it, what's so bad about the Bucs? New coach -- Raheem Morris. New tight end -- Kellen Winslow. Newly re-upped wide receivers -- Antonio Bryant (franchise-tagged) and Michael Clayton. And did we mention that Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall was arrested again?

"If they were in fact trying to trade Jay Cutler, then I think that's a situation that's going to cause a very serious problem for the organization," Cook huffed and puffed.

Why? Because Cutler's precious feelings were hurt? Please.

The nontrade causes serious problems only if Cutler wants it that way. To whine about the Broncos' kicking the tires on a trade accomplishes nothing. Especially from a guy with zero playoff appearances and a grand total of 37 NFL games.

Cutler has accomplished nothing in this league. He has pretty passing numbers, but so what? It's time for him do a Brooks and grow up. It's time for him to spit out the pacifier.

Originally Posted by KCL

So do you all think that McD really wanted Cassel? And he did back out (maybe that's not the right term to use) before or after Cassel was signed by the Chiefs?

I think it is very possible McDaniels really did want to bring Cassel to Denver.

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Or...


wait for it...


















John Elway and Dan Reeves.

meh....could be also

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I think it is very possible McDaniels really did want to bring Cassel to Denver.

We'd be crazy to say he would never entertain the idea, but that's the NFL. That's business and that's life.

Coaches and bosses always take people with them that they feel comfortable working with. But to assume McD had an obligation to tell Jay that it was disucussed...IF it was discussed is inane. Josh and Xanders are Cutler bosses. They have NO obligation to discuss personnel moves or thoughts with him.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

We'd be crazy to say he would never entertain the idea, but that's the NFL. That's business and that's life.

Coaches and bosses always take people with them that they feel comfortable working with. But to assume McD had an obligation to tell Jay that it was disucussed...IF it was discussed is inane. Josh and Xanders are Cutler bosses. They have NO obligation to discuss personnel moves or thoughts with him.

I agree. No business should ever be held captive by their own employees. As great as Cutler is, his is only a part of the TEAM.. . a team that includes the Front Office and ownership.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

We'd be crazy to say he would never entertain the idea, but that's the NFL. That's business and that's life.

Coaches and bosses always take people with them that they feel comfortable working with. But to assume McD had an obligation to tell Jay that it was disucussed...IF it was discussed is inane. Josh and Xanders are Cutler bosses. They have NO obligation to discuss personnel moves or thoughts with him.

Call it smart business then. How much could have been avoided if they pick up a phone and say "yada, yada."?

That's mostly why I feel that there is more to it and McDaniels was left with his...hanging out and they are trying to make the best of it.

Originally Posted by claymore

Maybe they do have a plan, I just do not see it. It looks like its been a mess thus far.

As for the alienated players, I would say Scheffler, Cutler, and probably marshall (cause of the Jay thing), leach, which doesnt count more. Its impossible to see who is pissed when None of them are my personal friends.

I will tell you I expected allot more positives than the negatives. And Dawkins is the only positive Ive seen.

Signing Paxton was also just a silly move, that I may need explained to me.

Well when you pony up a half billion for part ownership.. If I were Mc Kid I would not worry about it.. He has a plan and he probably has shared it with Xander, his coaches, scouts and Pat beyond that does not have to share it with YOU..

Sorry if you feel like he answers to YOU.. time to let it go..
Listening to the radio and Jay is a laughing stock on national radio.. Jim Rome and the Herd announcer.. "everyone is trade able save Payton and Brady. Especially someone that has "mediocre ratings, win loss, is cry baby and a lousy attitude"..


Sums it up pretty well..