Thread: Yup, Jay is not a drama queen

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

But what if it truly is a rumor and you did nothing wrong? Would you still go kiss his ass and give the appearance you are at fault or wait for him to come into town like he committed to and discuss it then?

If you really believe Cutler is your franchise QB, you would do whatever it took to make him happy.. So he doesn't want out.

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

Why should he not think about it..

He would not have to teach a whiny spoiled brat a new system....

He knows what Cassell can do..

Cassell becomes another coach in the field..

Maybe he does not have the arm that Jay does but it did not seem to matter all that much in NE last year..11-5 without any experience..

Would he be able to do that in DEN maybe not this year.. but once the Defense is better absolutely..

I listened to his phone interview where all these supposed pissed comments came from Jay..............it didnt sound to me at all like he was whining about anything.

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Jay is just like any other player. If they field an offer and say no, they aren't going to immediately call the player and tell them that they fielded an offer for him. They have no requirement to do so, nor should they.

Jay found out about it through a leak from, we're now assuming, the Patriots, and flew off the handle, most likely before even considering calling the front office.

How to handle this better:
Adam Schefter: Hey, Jay, how's it going man? How are you?
Jay: Adam, why you calling me man, it's March. I like the Dawkins signing.
Adam: No, no, although, I do too, but I guess you might have been part of a trade.
Jay: Really. I can't comment yet. Let me call Pat, and I'll call you right back.

He talked to his agent, his agent told him they were getting calls about trading him.. He herd more rumors, his agent tried to call again and they wouldn't talk to him, His agent then told Cutler, they are blocking me out and wont address the situation...

Couple that with everything else he heard/seen that made him think they wanted to trade him and it's easy to understand where he is coming from.

Originally Posted by KCL

So do you all think that McD really wanted Cassel? And he did back out (maybe that's not the right term to use) before or after Cassel was signed by the Chiefs?

Yes I think he at least considered trading for Cassel.. Everyone including Shefter is saying Mckid wanted to trade Cutler for Cassel..

Maybe he did decide against it at the last minute? If that is the case he will do what ever is needed to prove that to Cutler so he can have the QB he chose..

If Cutler gets traded, it will be because Mckid didn't do what was needed to fix this situation and that will prove he didn't really want Cutler to begin with.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

I agree. No business should ever be held captive by their own employees. As great as Cutler is, his is only a part of the TEAM.. . a team that includes the Front Office and ownership.

I agree with this,

I also feel that beings they are a team they should have included Cutler/his agent that they were thinking of trading him.. Now he believes they are lieing when they say they weren't trying to trade him... Hell everyone who has talked to people inside the league believes they were trying to trade him, who do they think their fooling?

By lying they are making it look like cutler is making a big deal out of nothing.. That isn't right! If they want him on the team they should come clean and go out of their way to patch this up with Cutler.

Originally Posted by Mike

What baggage does he have? That he is immature?

Do you cover your rear end so that the employee doesn't ever find out about the consideration? Are you up front with him about it?

I have no issues with the HC or FO considering moves that will make the Broncos better. But I also feel that as the HC you need to exercise good judgment and some serious CYA in order to not reek havoc in the lockerroom and alienate your QB.

Great points Mike

There is clearly disruption now, I'm sure Cutler will get labeled the TO type and blamed for all the division. But if Mckid really did try to trade Cutler, but got blocked by Xman or Pat, now he'e lying and trying to cover it all up. He is causing all the division and should be labeled as the locker room cancer..

The players on this team know whether Mckid wanted to trade Cutler or not.. They will not respect him if they know he is lying and treating cutler this way. How can you be a good coach if your players don't like and respect you? That is apart of the job description.

Originally Posted by turftoad

There is a lot of immaturity comming from both sides in this whole mess. At least Cutler is still a kid.
Josh and the X man? Not so much.

And there supposed to be the leaders.. It's pretty obvious they don't know how to handle the situation. Good leaders find a way to work with each player, and meet them on some common ground.. If they were good leaders, this would never have happened..

Who will be next? No elite player will except being treated like the team doesn't really need them. Lets face it, the stars get more respect then the scrubs.. If Cutler feels he is being treating like a scrub, I can see why we would want out..

i Wouldnt blame him for wanting to leave now, but i think he is smart enough to realize that there is a lot of great things that can come from patching this up. Jay knows he needs to mature and this is the perfect opportunity for him to show he is willing to. It would be nice to see a contract extension put in place to prove that Jay is the man and will be the face of the franchise. Either way, I think this is something that can be cleared up easily.

Originally Posted by turftoad

He didn't go 11-5 all by himself.

Cutler threw for over 4000 yards last year and made the Pro Bowl. What else does he have to prove to McKid?

The reason we DIDN'T go 11-5 last year is because our defense sucked so bad.
Now, as a new coach comming in and knowing that, wouldn't you try to fix the "D" instead of tearing apart the offense?

The offense was not the problem.

Yeah Josh, go ahead and put your stamp on the team.

Bring in your own system. Bring in some defensive help. Bring in your own coach's. Bring in a RB. But, at least try to fix the things that need to be fixed.
Cutler and offense wasn't broken until BOZO McKid came to town.

Now both sides of the ball are a mess.

Good Job already Josh.

got to admit Turf there was a lot of reason not to be 11-5 last year and some of those were also on Offense.. to choke having a three game lead with 3 to go.. well it was not just defense..

2-10-SD 14 (1:13) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass deep middle intended for 15-B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by 27-P.Oliver at SD -5. Touchback.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann).

2-10-SD 35 (8:55) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 19-E.Royal pushed ob at SD 30 for 5 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
3-5-SD 30 (8:30) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep left to 88-T.Scheffler (42-C.Hart).
4-5-SD 30 (8:25) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 15-B.Marshall.

2-10-DEN 18 (:17) (Shotgun) 35-S.Young left end to DEN 25 for 7 yards (30-C.Godfrey). FUMBLES (30-C.Godfrey), RECOVERED by CAR-96-T.Brayton at DEN 25. 96-T.Brayton to DEN 25 for no gain (74-R.Harris).

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

got to admit Turf there was a lot of reason not to be 11-5 last year and some of those were also on Offense.. to choke having a three game lead with 3 to go.. well it was not just defense..

2-10-SD 14 (1:13) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass deep middle intended for 15-B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by 27-P.Oliver at SD -5. Touchback.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann).

2-10-SD 35 (8:55) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 19-E.Royal pushed ob at SD 30 for 5 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
3-5-SD 30 (8:30) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep left to 88-T.Scheffler (42-C.Hart).
4-5-SD 30 (8:25) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 15-B.Marshall.

2-10-DEN 18 (:17) (Shotgun) 35-S.Young left end to DEN 25 for 7 yards (30-C.Godfrey). FUMBLES (30-C.Godfrey), RECOVERED by CAR-96-T.Brayton at DEN 25. 96-T.Brayton to DEN 25 for no gain (74-R.Harris).

I suspect context would do wonders for those situations, JR.

I will agree, though, that it was more than the defense. But anybody expecting the kid to carry the whole team has set the bar a little too high. No RB, no defense, piss poor ST, suspect playcalling. Eh.

There has been a huge disparity between Denver to NE the last couple of years and to compare anything on the two teams is ridiculous. We will see how Cassel does in KC this year.

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

got to admit Turf there was a lot of reason not to be 11-5 last year and some of those were also on Offense.. to choke having a three game lead with 3 to go.. well it was not just defense..

2-10-SD 14 (1:13) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass deep middle intended for 15-B.Marshall INTERCEPTED by 27-P.Oliver at SD -5. Touchback.

1-10-DEN 18 (9:52) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short right intended for 19-E.Royal INTERCEPTED by 93-L.Castillo (95-S.Phillips) at DEN 18. 93-L.Castillo to DEN 14 for 4 yards (62-C.Wiegmann).

2-10-SD 35 (8:55) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass short left to 19-E.Royal pushed ob at SD 30 for 5 yards (31-A.Cromartie).
3-5-SD 30 (8:30) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep left to 88-T.Scheffler (42-C.Hart).
4-5-SD 30 (8:25) (Shotgun) 6-J.Cutler pass incomplete deep middle to 15-B.Marshall.

2-10-DEN 18 (:17) (Shotgun) 35-S.Young left end to DEN 25 for 7 yards (30-C.Godfrey). FUMBLES (30-C.Godfrey), RECOVERED by CAR-96-T.Brayton at DEN 25. 96-T.Brayton to DEN 25 for no gain (74-R.Harris).

Everyone of those plays is a passing play. IF we weren't behind (because the "D" sucked) we probably wouldn't have been passing all the time.

am I the only one as an outside fan believe that McDaniels may have tried to blackball Cutler?

Originally Posted by Gamechanger

am I the only one as an outside fan believe that McDaniels may have tried to blackball Cutler?

yes..............

Originally Posted by SuperCharged!!!

I have to say doinks, if I were you I would not want this sorry crying baby running my squad.

Rivers looks better and better everyday doesn't he? Admit it. I know it's hard to do. Rivers is just a much better person, a much cooler guy, a much better QB, and a much better leader.

Jay is seriously the biggest whiner in the league. Cry on that one.

I have to hand it to RIvers...and he and Jay are actually a lot alike. ( in Maturity that is) or WERE a lot alike.

THis was Rivers maturity level a year or two ago. When he decided to grow up and move on from his immature ways, he played outstanding....pretty much putting the team on his back down the stretch and taking his team to the playoffs.

That is what Jay needs to do. Tools or not, if he doesn't have the mental capacity to lead and spark those around him and get over his little TIFF with RIvers and now the HC of his team, then he is not going to go anywhere...except maybe the Lions...

Originally Posted by Watchthemiddle

I have to hand it to RIvers...and he and Jay are actually a lot alike. ( in Maturity that is) or WERE a lot alike.

THis was Rivers maturity level a year or two ago. When he decided to grow up and move on from his immature ways, he played outstanding....pretty much putting the team on his back down the stretch and taking his team to the playoffs.

That is what Jay needs to do. Tools or not, if he doesn't have the mental capacity to lead and spark those around him and get over his little TIFF with RIvers and now the HC of his team, then he is not going to go anywhere...except maybe the Lions...

Sounds like you should turn into a Chargers fan.