Thread: Yup, Jay is not a drama queen

Originally Posted by Mike

Call it smart business then. How much could have been avoided if they pick up a phone and say "yada, yada."?

That's mostly why I feel that there is more to it and McDaniels was left with his...hanging out and they are trying to make the best of it.

That's what I'm saying it would have been an smart buiness move.

Originally Posted by Mike

Call it smart business then. How much could have been avoided if they pick up a phone and say "yada, yada."?

That's mostly why I feel that there is more to it and McDaniels was left with his...hanging out and they are trying to make the best of it.

Depends on the value you place on the employee. Cutler has potential and talent, but he also has his baggage. If you feel you can be just as successful or even more successful with an employee with a different set of skills, then maybe you discuss the idea of making a switch and leave it at that.

I'm not a coach and I cant sit here and say I know jay will be more successful in McD's offense than Cassel was, but as a boss, if I feel someone will be better in a position than another person, I will definately entertain a proposal for something that is best for my work team

Originally Posted by MissouriBronc

Jay is just like any other player. If they field an offer and say no, they aren't going to immediately call the player and tell them that they fielded an offer for him. They have no requirement to do so, nor should they.

Jay found out about it through a leak from, we're now assuming, the Patriots, and flew off the handle, most likely before even considering calling the front office.

How to handle this better:
Adam Schefter: Hey, Jay, how's it going man? How are you?
Jay: Adam, why you calling me man, it's March. I like the Dawkins signing.
Adam: No, no, although, I do too, but I guess you might have been part of a trade.
Jay: Really. I can't comment yet. Let me call Pat, and I'll call you right back.

Great logical post, it is what most adults would do.

Wow do you really expect a cry baby to be adult enough not to be baited into a firestorm..

It was his Agents job to ut this shitstorm out fast and all he did was feed teh fires.. Afterall it is not new to him he was also Bretts agent..

NO he has an agenda "Show me the money".. if jay gets traded then he gets a % of it.. jay most likely gets a raise.. Follow the money trail here folks.. seems open and shut to me..

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

I think it is very possible McDaniels really did want to bring Cassel to Denver.

Why should he not think about it..

He would not have to teach a whiny spoiled brat a new system....

He knows what Cassell can do..

Cassell becomes another coach in the field..

Maybe he does not have the arm that Jay does but it did not seem to matter all that much in NE last year..11-5 without any experience..

Would he be able to do that in DEN maybe not this year.. but once the Defense is better absolutely..

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Depends on the value you place on the employee. Cutler has potential and talent, but he also has his baggage. If you feel you can be just as successful or even more successful with an employee with a different set of skills, then maybe you discuss the idea of making a switch and leave it at that.

I'm not a coach and I cant sit here and say I know jay will be more successful in McD's offense than Cassel was, but as a boss, if I feel someone will be better in a position than another person, I will definately entertain a proposal for something that is best for my work team

What baggage does he have? That he is immature?

Do you cover your rear end so that the employee doesn't ever find out about the consideration? Are you up front with him about it?

I have no issues with the HC or FO considering moves that will make the Broncos better. But I also feel that as the HC you need to exercise good judgment and some serious CYA in order to not reek havoc in the lockerroom and alienate your QB.

Originally Posted by Mike

What baggage does he have? That he is immature?

Do you cover your rear end so that the employee doesn't ever find out about the consideration? Are you up front with him about it?

I have no issues with the HC or FO considering moves that will make the Broncos better. But I also feel that as the HC you need to exercise good judgment and some serious CYA in order to not reek havoc in the lockerroom and alienate your QB.

Yeah, I think his immaturity and whining is baggage.

If I did something similar with an employee of mine, it would be confidential until a decision was made. However, if it leaked out, I would expect that employee to ask me about it.

if he went on a mini-tirade, I would understand a little bit, but would offer to talk with him. if, after that, he refused to talk and ranted publicly about the ordeal, his ass would be in my office whether he liked it or not and if he felt his ego wasnt being stroked enopugh, he could very well find a new job.

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

Why should he not think about it..

He would not have to teach a whiny spoiled brat a new system....

He knows what Cassell can do..

Cassell becomes another coach in the field..

Maybe he does not have the arm that Jay does but it did not seem to matter all that much in NE last year..11-5 without any experience..

Would he be able to do that in DEN maybe not this year.. but once the Defense is better absolutely..

He didn't go 11-5 all by himself.

Cutler threw for over 4000 yards last year and made the Pro Bowl. What else does he have to prove to McKid?

The reason we DIDN'T go 11-5 last year is because our defense sucked so bad.
Now, as a new coach comming in and knowing that, wouldn't you try to fix the "D" instead of tearing apart the offense?

The offense was not the problem.

Yeah Josh, go ahead and put your stamp on the team.

Bring in your own system. Bring in some defensive help. Bring in your own coach's. Bring in a RB. But, at least try to fix the things that need to be fixed.
Cutler and offense wasn't broken until BOZO McKid came to town.

Now both sides of the ball are a mess.

Good Job already Josh.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Yeah, I think his immaturity and whining is baggage.

If I did something similar with an employee of mine, it would be confidential until a decision was made. However, if it leaked out, I would expect that employee to ask me about it.

if he went on a mini-tirade, I would understand a little bit, but would offer to talk with him. if, after that, he refused to talk and ranted publicly about the ordeal, his ass would be in my office whether he liked it or not and if he felt his ego wasnt being stroked enopugh, he could very well find a new job.

There is a lot of immaturity comming from both sides in this whole mess. At least Cutler is still a kid.
Josh and the X man? Not so much.

Originally Posted by turftoad

He didn't go 11-5 all by himself.

Cutler threw for over 4000 yards last year and made the Pro Bowl. What else does he have to prove to McKid?

The reason we DIDN'T go 11-5 last year is because our defense sucked so bad.
Now, as a new coach comming in and knowing that, wouldn't you try to fix the "D" instead of tearing apart the offense?

The offense was not the problem.

Yeah Josh, go ahead and put your stamp on the team.

Bring in your own system. Bring in some defensive help. Bring in your own coach's. Bring in a RB. But, at least try to fix the things that need to be fixed.
Cutler and offense wasn't broken until BOZO McKid came to town.

Now both sides of the ball are a mess.

Good Job already Josh.

Yep fix what needs to be fixed.

Originally Posted by Kapaibro

Whoa now. I'm not neccessarily on McDaniels side, but I'm not so eager to jump the gun and say this is DEFINITELY what happened.

This is all specualtion, and I, like everyone else, am just presenting my opinion. And from what I have read, Jay is the one making a big deal whereas the FO are the ones being cool.

Yes I did support Plummer, but I believe that Cutler was brought in to improve the Broncos, and I have hoped that he would. I personally don't think he is that good of a leader on field and off, but he's done better than the other QB's in his draft (Leinart, Young).



Push comes to shove, I believe in and support the Broncos first, and individual players second. IF that makes me a Jay hater, or McDaniels lover in some peoples eyes, then so be it.

You said you were on McDaniels side, I was just wondering if that was because don't believe they tried to trade him or if you felt it didn't matter if they did, Cutler shouldn't be upset about it..

Originally Posted by Kapaibro

Here's what we know for sure:

Other teams approached Denver looking to arrange a trade that included Cutler and Cassel.

"Someone inside" (I love that 'someone') told Jay he was being traded.

The FO have admitted being contacted.

Jay has decided that this means he is on the trade block.

Jay is upset that there has being a change in the coaching staff.

Scheffler is also being considered (as is probably half the halfway decent players throughout the NFL during FA time).

You can't know that for sure! Some reports are saying Denver was trying to trade Cutler, that means they could have been calling other teams..

Originally Posted by G_Money

It has been in progress for a while, NTL. We didn't fire Shanahan pretty much outta the blue just yesterday. That was the first big shocker for Jay, blindsiding him right as the offseason started, and it hasn't gotten better.

Jay's response after:
- Bowlen fired the coach who drafted him (Shanahan)
- hired an offensive-coach who then fired his best friend on staff (Bates)
- that coach didn't talk to him for a while after he arrived (remember that flap?)
- has talked about moving his best friend on the team (Scheffler, who was in the proposed Lions deal WITH Cutler in some versions, but is also on the market by himself)
- either "listened to" or "initiated" trade talks to get an old buddy QB in here
- lied to Cutler's agent about it
- stopped talking to Cutler's agent once the story broke on the internet and let Jay make up his own mind about what was really going on in Dove Valley:

"Hey, if this is how you want to treat me, you must want me to go, so let my agent find me a deal and I'll get the hell outta your hair. I didn't understand firing Shanahan, you're ditching everyone I like and now apparently I'm up for sale before you even see me throw a football once in your system, so kissa my assa. I don't need you clowns anyway - me and my stuffed bear Cuddles will be fine without you."

The FO response: "No. But come in to talk to all of us, in private, so we can gang up on you and browbeat you into submission. We're not gonna take anything back publicly other than a terse statement to the newspaper no one reads, or back you with a press conference or anything, because for some reason we think this will go away if we "don't give it legs" (even though it has a millipede's worth of legs already) but quietly we'd like to tell you to shut up and pretend it didn't happen."

Cutler's response: "*$$()(@#@##!! #U$(#)##_-#*!!@...No."

This is wonderful. A masterpiece on all sides.

~G

Great post G! We are seeing the big picture the same way..

Originally Posted by claymore

The Broncos screwed this pooch. Jay Cutler is just reacting to the bad situation they put him in.

The Broncos are not commenting on things either, which complicates matters more.

If anyone is being a bitch, its Mcdaniels for not man'ing up and doing a real presser, or flying someone out to see Jay Cutler on the organizations behalf.

Instead of blaming Jay, why dont you throw some hate where it belongs, at the front office. They started it, mishandled it, tried to cover it up, then fell silent.

Right on!

If they really want Cutler and this is all a big misunderstanding they should be doing everything in their power to make him happy! Why wouldn't they?

They are about to lose the guy they claim the really want to QB this team because he feels betrayed. If they didn't betray him they should be doing everything they possibly can to clear this mess up..

They are choosing to take another side, which is proving there are 2 sides here..

Originally Posted by Northman

VERY big if.

Yeah, I would say the possibility of this being spread by the front office to gain support on moving Cutler is a better possibility..

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

sounds more like PMS than ESP

If he is so perceptive than way can't he see those open WR instead of forcing the ball into Marshall..

Who's side am I on? Jay may be good, but until he is put in charge. I go for Mc Kid, Xander and Pat..

The three of them have exhibited more maturity than Mc Pantywaist

How have they exhibited more Maturity? They are about to lose the guy they claim they really want.. If they do really want him they will do whatever they can to fix this.. Saying nothing and wanting it to go away isn't going to get the job done..

If this is a misunderstanding they have absolutely no reason to be upset at Cutler, they should simply be saying, That is completely untrue! We would never trade you! If they want Cutler they will clear this up, if they let it go to shit it proves they didn't really want him... And Cutler will have been right all along.