Thread: 2023 Free Agency

Originally Posted by King87

Even if he’s not all that great, he’s good enough for teams to overpay; teams will always talk themselves into a QB.

I went through it in my head earlier, and came up with four teams that could actually make sense, outside of the Ratbirds. Then Washington publicly bowed out, which left three. And the Titans really look like they're going into a rebuild.

Can you honestly picture him playing for Bill Belly? That leaves Atlanta.

Originally Posted by dogfish

I went through it in my head earlier, and came up with four teams that could actually make sense, outside of the Ratbirds. Then Washington publicly bowed out, which left three. And the Titans really look like they're going into a rebuild.

Can you honestly picture him playing for Bill Belly? That leaves Atlanta.

Belichick hates talent. He loves the Mac Jones model so much he drafted it twice.

Tennessee makes sense, but they're old school so probably not. Indy makes a lot of sense, but old white guys is what makes their wieners stand at attention. Atlanta would be a good fit.

Originally Posted by King87

Belichick hates talent. He loves the Mac Jones model so much he drafted it twice.

Tennessee makes sense, but they're old school so probably not. Indy makes a lot of sense, but old white guys is what makes their wieners stand at attention. Atlanta would be a good fit.

The Titans can run a zone option offense with Malik Willis, and get a top five pick next year. Indy needs to draft a QB after years of vet failures. Let's see if Steichen can develop Richardson like they did Hurts.

So yeah, Atlanta. Where he could be the new Vick. No reports of their interest, though.

Originally Posted by dogfish

The Titans can run a zone option offense with Malik Willis, and get a top five pick next year. Indy needs to draft a QB after years of vet failures. Let's see if Steichen can develop Richardson like they did Hurts.

So yeah, Atlanta. Where he could be the new Vick. No reports of their interest, though.

The Titans still think they can win that division, and they need a QB to carry a bad offense.

Indy needs a real QB; it doesn’t matter how they get one.

New England would make sense, but Frown-Hood wants Chad Oenningtons.

Atlanta is built for a mobile QB right now.

Carolina doesn’t have a QB.

He fits well in modern football.

A big part of this crapola is collusion; lord knows the players have called it out.

He wouldn’t look bad in Pitt.

Originally Posted by King87

Carolina doesn’t have a QB.

No, but it seems likely they'll draft one with the number one pick that they traded up for. And if Baltimore is willing to trade him to Pitt, then Pitt shouldn't want him. So, Atlanta it is.

Originally Posted by dogfish

Yeah. Let's not and say we did.

He's painfully slow at 35 years old, and it'll be fun seeing you blow up when we take another safety with our first pick.

It’s going to happen, I’m telling you.

Originally Posted by dogfish

No, but it seems likely they'll draft one with the number one pick that they traded up for. And if Baltimore is willing to trade him to Pitt, then Pitt shouldn't want him. So, Atlanta it is.

Let him hand the ball off to a RB worth a damn and some WRs who don’t suck ass at their job.

Originally Posted by Jaded

It’s going to happen, I’m telling you.

I know. And I love ya, dude. It's your reaction when we take a corner with the other third that I'm concerned about.

Lamar Jackson is a very good QB who has no idea about the business side of the NFL. HE cant squawk business then be mad when Baltimore is protecting its interest. Lamar is not a top 5 Qb today he isn't. He was during his MVP year but has since fallen off. Baltimore has also failed to develop or obtain WR help, and they love beat up injury prone RB's. Owners are colluding 100% here but who cares good for them. Bothers me none, in the same way Jackson asking for fully guaranteed bothers me none. The main issue here is Jackson with no agent and his mom f'ed up on their business side and he will pay the price plain and simple. You want out Lamar sign your tender, ask for 50 mil a year for 3 years with 125 Mil guaranteed and you will be a top 5 paid QB. The problem is no one will pay you what you think you deserve on a fully guaranteed deal because your last 2 years don't warrant it. Its that simple. No other ownership group is a stupid as Cleveland.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Lamar Jackson is a very good QB who has no idea about the business side of the NFL. HE cant squawk business then be mad when Baltimore is protecting its interest. Lamar is not a top 5 Qb today he isn't. He was during his MVP year but has since fallen off. Baltimore has also failed to develop or obtain WR help, and they love beat up injury prone RB's. Owners are colluding 100% here but who cares good for them. Bothers me none, in the same way Jackson asking for fully guaranteed bothers me none. The main issue here is Jackson with no agent and his mom f'ed up on their business side and he will pay the price plain and simple. You want out Lamar sign your tender, ask for 50 mil a year for 3 years with 125 Mil guaranteed and you will be a top 5 paid QB. The problem is no one will pay you what you think you deserve on a fully guaranteed deal because your last 2 years don't warrant it. Its that simple. No other ownership group is a stupid as Cleveland.

I think it's kinda crappy they get to collude and dilute the QB market. A bunch of billionaires complaining they have to pay market value in a capped sport where they passively earn tons of cash is pretty hilarious...at least in a "this reality is so stupid you can't make this up" kind of way.

Originally Posted by King87

I think it's kinda crappy they get to collude and dilute the QB market. A bunch of billionaires complaining they have to pay market value in a capped sport where they passively earn tons of cash is pretty hilarious...at least in a "this reality is so stupid you can't make this up" kind of way.

Fair but its not really market value IMO, his value has not only dropped due to his own induced and prevalent issues last 2 years but market value is Mahomes not Watson. Any agent would have filled Lamar in on this and informed him to ask for a lot of guaranteed but you want APY to match or exceed Mahomes or at least be top 5. What's really funny is now people are trying to blame Mahomes for Jackson lol. Jackson f'ed this up plain and simple. He was naïve and is naïve still to the Business side. Its great he wants a Watson contract, his own delusions are preventing him from be signed and playing for even another team right now. At this rate I would be shocked if he actually plays football next year. he wont even sign the tender because he is butt hurt it played out this way. If I was his agent I would have wanted a 3 or 4 year/150 or 200 mil deal with at least 60-70 percent guaranteed. Instead he and his mom said I want Watson money fully guaranteed and I want to be highest paid, when the entirety of the NFL said that's dumb and will never happen, get a agent.

When I say market value I mean the going rate of the contract for QBs. At best the owners can try to nerd LJs so when Herbert and Burrow are up their deals, presuming they don’t take a discount/structure it tram friendly, are what LJ’s should/would have been.

Originally Posted by dogfish

I went through it in my head earlier, and came up with four teams that could actually make sense, outside of the Ratbirds. Then Washington publicly bowed out, which left three. And the Titans really look like they're going into a rebuild.

Can you honestly picture him playing for Bill Belly? That leaves Atlanta.

Most of the pundits have said Atlanta is the most likely of places. But they were really pissed that Lamar quit on the team the last 8 games of the year as well and corrected people about Baltimore not doing anything to help Lamar. Virtually a lot of draft picks were for the offensive side of the ball to help Lamar Jokeson. Elway, Manning, Brady, etc could elevate lower tier players to play better but Lamar cant do that, especially with his inconsistency at passing the ball. Why is anyone going to pay a guy who cant do those things?

Originally Posted by King87

When I say market value I mean the going rate of the contract for QBs. At best the owners can try to nerd LJs so when Herbert and Burrow are up their deals, presuming they don’t take a discount/structure it tram friendly, are what LJ’s should/would have been.

The problem with just allowing the market to get of control is the "Case Keesum" effect (Jaded term). Once you start allowing any QB to get those kinds of pay days its going to lead to bigger problems. Maybe Atlanta or some other club will pull a Cleveland and sign Lamar regardless but i dont blame them for not wanting to sign any scrubby doo to a huge contract especially after seeing what happened with Watson. Shit, if Russell doesnt improve next year you can add him to that list of scrubby doo's that didnt deserve a huge pay day.

Originally Posted by dogfish

I went through it in my head earlier, and came up with four teams that could actually make sense, outside of the Ratbirds. Then Washington publicly bowed out, which left three. And the Titans really look like they're going into a rebuild.

Can you honestly picture him playing for Bill Belly? That leaves Atlanta.

Atlanta also publicly bowed out, and the titans have no money for him..the Pats just brought back Callahan to work with their QB,s in their system..

That leaves Indy, and Irsey said…no fully guaranteed contracts.

Teams could literally draft next month..and then make him an offer and their 2 1sts will be in 25. @26 and probably worse than the teams that are possible landing spots for him now.