Thread: Broncos among worst in creating offensive line value

No shocker here, but this bit of scholarship indicates that the Broncos have been among the worst in the league at getting value from veteran lineman contracts. I wonder how much is scouting/evaluation and how much is coaching/development.

For both the Broncos and Jaguars we likely have a similar scenario to the Giants.
Each only have two observations in the data set. For the Jaguars, Jermey Parnell was
flagged as overvalued with a player score of 1.318. And for the Broncos, Donald
Stephenson was flagged as overvalued with a player score of 1.293. These score coupled
with the fact that each only had one teammate, both of which had scores of about 1,
means these teams get flagged as poor at creating value with their veteran offensive
linemen.

http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi...ext=cmc_theses

Shocker....our line sux. If only there was a way to fix that.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

No shocker here, but this bit of scholarship indicates that the Broncos have been among the worst in the league at getting value from veteran lineman contracts. I wonder how much is scouting/evaluation and how much is coaching/development.



http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi...ext=cmc_theses

I think it's more coaching/scheme. Okung couldn't block a wet dream here but was serviceable elsewhere

You can trace this back to Clady. We signed him to a 5 year deal in 2013 and never really got any production out of him after that due to his injuries... So we've been playing catchup ever since trying to piecemeal the line together.

Bolles should help stop the bleeding - but man he sucked last year. This would certainly support the case for taking Nelson.

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/...17#post2739717

They should invest a top 3 pick (round 1-3) in the line every year.

This also goes back to having a TE coach “developing” the OL, letting players start games when they don’t practice all season, lack of depth and the lack of time you can spend with players under this CBA.

Just look at their depth over the years, sure their starters suck but their backups are undrafted free agents. The only reason Stephenson was swing T last year was because they didn’t want the dead money of cutting him. McGovern never saw the field because the stiff they got from the Eagles got in the way.

You’d think these dudes would show some personal pride and do the extra offseason/after practice work anyway.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

No shocker here, but this bit of scholarship indicates that the Broncos have been among the worst in the league at getting value from veteran lineman contracts. I wonder how much is scouting/evaluation and how much is coaching/development.



http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi...ext=cmc_theses

I think that's about to change. Anyone would have to admit that Leary was a stupendous signing.
Paradis was an excellent draft choice, and Bolles is a budding star. Veldheer was a dramatic
upgrade to what was there before (which isn't really saying much, I understand, but we'll see).
And this years OL class in the draft is really deep. I think the Broncos will come out of this with
a really strong OL with some depth . . . finally.

Originally Posted by topscribe

I think that's about to change. Anyone would have to admit that Leary was a stupendous signing.
Paradis was an excellent draft choice, and Bolles is a budding star. Veldheer was a dramatic
upgrade to what was there before (which isn't really saying much, I understand, but we'll see).
And this years OL class in the draft is really deep. I think the Broncos will come out of this with
a really strong OL with some depth . . . finally.

Really hitting the koolaid hard lately Top, I’m worried about you.

I felt last offseason how Top feels now. If Bolles does improve (he's going to have to improve a lot) and the new RT stays healthy, another solid addition would make the starting line, at least, respectable.

Paradis isn’t excellent, Bolles has a long way to go to be a star, Veldheer wasn’t good last year and this draft class isn’t deep.

The Broncos are so concerned about their depth that they resigned Billy Turner.

Leary was a good signing, the one guy that wasn’t a liability.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Paradis isn’t excellent, Bolles has a long way to go to be a star, Veldheer wasn’t good last year.

Leary was a good signing, the one guy that wasn’t a liability.

Paradis is one of the best centers in the game baby! Bolles is a legitimate talent and I do think he will pan out. Valdheer wasn't that great of a signing, has health issues, and is overpaid. But, he's probably better than any other option we have. If he gets hurt though...oh lord.

Leary is a monster.

A solid line isn't too far off. I'm just saying. I hope.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Paradis is one of the best centers in the game baby! Bolles is a legitimate talent and I do think he will pan out. Valdheer wasn't that great of a signing, has health issues, and is overpaid. But, he's probably better than any other option we have. If he gets hurt though...oh lord.

Leary is a monster.

A solid line isn't too far off. I'm just saying. I hope.

Paradis is JAG.

Agreed on Bolles but he’s got a long way to go.

Clady had health issues and never made it, and let’s be honest, Veldheer would be bucking years of Broncos trend of shit results from making the same damn mistakes. Basically the Broncos are getting what they pay for and end up going back to the drawing board every year.

They’re 3 new starters away from a solid OL.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Paradis is JAG.

Agreed on Bolles but he’s got a long way to go.

Clady had health issues and never made it, and let’s be honest, Veldheer would be bucking years of Broncos trend of shit results from making the same damn mistakes. Basically the Broncos are getting what they pay for and end up going back to the drawing board every year.

They’re 3 new starters away from a solid OL.

If Bolles gets his holding under control he's a solid LT. It's a lot of work, but it's not a daunting task of infinity!

Paradis is a damn fine center. You and Buff are haters!

Veldheer just has to be average. We're still paying a lot of money for an injury prone RT.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

If Bolles gets his holding under control he's a solid LT. It's a lot of work, but it's not a daunting task of infinity!

Paradis is a damn fine center. You and Buff are haters!

Veldheer just has to be average. We're still paying a lot of money for an injury prone RT.

I don’t get Paradis, is it the underdog story? What’s the fascination?

There is nothing special about him.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I don’t get Paradis, is it the underdog story? What’s the fascination?

There is nothing special about him.

He's just a good center. I'm not saying he's HoF material. But he's a good center.