Thread: The Aaron Rodgers Watch

Originally Posted by Tbolt

I think the point he is making, is that nobody was willing to come back in at the end of the 1st to take him, and also to get that 5th year. Teams were content letting him slip to day 2. As such, it's not much of a stretch to say he wasn't really a 1st round graded prospect, even if someone had them on their board that high. Love/Jamal being recent examples of teams that made a move to get a guy late that nobody was willing to do for Lock. Fans probably have this stuck in their head as so many thought we were taking Lock in the 1st and instead passed for Fant.

This. It's not that difficult. Having a first round grade on a RB but willing to wait for round 2 to get him is way different than having a first round grade on a QB. QB is the most important position in sports. If any QB needy team had a first round grade on Lock, they'd have moved to the back of the first to get him to secure that 5th year.

This is your 2nd round draft order that year prior to us drafting lock. Its actually most likely we had a mid first rd grade on him and he simply fell because the teams picking before us didn't need a mid first rd. QBor at least there GM's didn't feel they did and the chatter wasn't loud enough for us to need to trade up.

33 Arizona Cardinals Byron Murphy CB Washington
34 Indianapolis Colts Rock Ya-Sin CB Temple
35 Jacksonville Jaguars Jawaan Taylor OT Florida
36 San Francisco 49ers Deebo Samuel WR South Carolina
37 Carolina Panthers Greg Little OT Ole Miss
38 Buffalo Bills Cody Ford OT Oklahoma
39 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Sean Bunting CB Central Michigan
40 Oakland Raiders Trayvon Mullen CB Clemson


We took lton Risner at 41

Pretty sure the chatter was not loud since the teams that were really thought to need one selected one early in rd 1. Plenty of teams admitted having first rd grades on Lock but they didn't need him. Its reality that sometimes the teams in front of you don't feel the same way, but its also completely possible its because they are really smart or really dumb.

I totally forgot we actually passed on Lock twice before drafting him. I'm sorry, but if you pass on a QB TWICE, including to draft a guard in the second round, there's almost zero chance you have a first round grade on that guy. Just look at every draft these days. QBs get over drafted and traded up for in the first all the time. That 5th year on a rookie deal is so damn important.

If your argument is that Denver wasn't worried any one would jump them to get Lock, that just makes me even more confident the league didn't view him as a first rounder.

Looking at those teams that picked ahead of us, Indy had already lost Luck and had Jacoby Brissett at QB. They could have used someone. The Jags I think had Foles at that point? Maybe they thought he was good, but they could still have used a QB. The Bucs were on the last year of Jameis' contract and probably knew by that point he wasn't good. They could have used a guy. And that's not to even mention teams at the back of the first like the Pats and Saints who knew they'd be needing a QB soon and could have drafted the successor to their guy like GB did.

There were plenty of teams in that area who could have used a QB and passed on Lock. Including us, who passed on him twice. I think Elway knew he was flawed but figured he was worth a flier when he was still there toward the middle of the second.

Wave is straight up wiping the floor with everyone in here.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I totally forgot we actually passed on Lock twice before drafting him. I'm sorry, but if you pass on a QB TWICE, including to draft a guard in the second round, there's almost zero chance you have a first round grade on that guy. Just look at every draft these days. QBs get over drafted and traded up for in the first all the time. That 5th year on a rookie deal is so damn important.

If your argument is that Denver wasn't worried any one would jump them to get Lock, that just makes me even more confident the league didn't view him as a first rounder.

we passed on him in the top 10 where a number of smart people didn't believe he belonged for various reasons, I had no issues with passing him there and saying we didn't believe he fit that value, but to say we passed him twice simply because we picked risner first is dumb, we had no threat of losing him and we may have even saved some money as well lol. Its also well known quite a few teams had first rd. grades on risner as well, so maybe the board just fell our way....

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Looking at those teams that picked ahead of us, Indy had already lost Luck and had Jacoby Brissett at QB. They could have used someone. The Jags I think had Foles at that point? Maybe they thought he was good, but they could still have used a QB. The Bucs were on the last year of Jameis' contract and probably knew by that point he wasn't good. They could have used a guy. And that's not to even mention teams at the back of the first like the Pats and Saints who knew they'd be needing a QB soon and could have drafted the successor to their guy like GB did.

There were plenty of teams in that area who could have used a QB and passed on Lock. Including us, who passed on him twice. I think Elway knew he was flawed but figured he was worth a flier when he was still there toward the middle of the second.

Again you and I could maybe see they needed one but GM's are smart and dumb.....its not a valid argument. Just because the gm in front of you passed on a guy and they may have needed a QB that same guy doesn't have first rd. grades by many other teams.

Originally Posted by Northman

Wave is straight up wiping the floor with everyone in here.

Your such a ass kisser

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Your such a ass kisser

Oh, you have been around here long enough to know that isnt the case with me. Northman is a straight shooter, he has upper management written all over him.

Originally Posted by Northman

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Your such a ass kisser

Oh, you have been around here long enough to know that isnt the case with me. Northman is a straight shooter, he has upper management written all over him.

You are a straight shooter. You always tell the truth. It is a wonderful attribute.

Openly professing your great love of Tom Bradys ass and shit bands like Stryper? It is truly admirable.

Originally Posted by Northman

Oh, you have been around here long enough to know that isnt the case with me. Northman is a straight shooter, he has upper management written all over him.

I knew I always liked you!

Originally Posted by Shazam!

You are a straight shooter. You always tell the truth. It is a wonderful attribute.

Openly professing your great love of Tom Bradys ass and shit bands like Stryper? It is truly admirable.

Damn straight!

Northman is the only tough person in the world that likes Tom Brady.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I totally forgot we actually passed on Lock twice before drafting him. I'm sorry, but if you pass on a QB TWICE, including to draft a guard in the second round, there's almost zero chance you have a first round grade on that guy. Just look at every draft these days. QBs get over drafted and traded up for in the first all the time. That 5th year on a rookie deal is so damn important.

If your argument is that Denver wasn't worried any one would jump them to get Lock, that just makes me even more confident the league didn't view him as a first rounder.

Just to play devils advocate here. When we traded up to #42 (back to back picks 41 and 42) we took Dalton first because we thought he was the player the team at 42 wanted. If we took Lock at 41 then they did not think that the team would trade 42 with Risner still on the board.

So they did technically pass on Lock 2x, but Elway straight up said the reason why they went Riser/Lock instead of Lock/Risner is that they did not feel they would be able to get the 42nd pick with Risner still on the board.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Just to play devils advocate here. When we traded up to #42 (back to back picks 41 and 42) we took Dalton first because we thought he was the player the team at 42 wanted. If we took Lock at 41 then they did not think that the team would trade 42 with Risner still on the board.

So they did technically pass on Lock 2x, but Elway straight up said the reason why they went Riser/Lock instead of Lock/Risner is that they did not feel they would be able to get the 42nd pick with Risner still on the board.

This is how drafts work! Players are evaluated on absolute value (how valuable would they be to our team in a vacuum?) and they are evaluated on relative value (how highly do opposing teams value this player?)

In other words - this is not a devil's advocate opinion! You are just reinforcing that Lock was, indeed, passed on twice and Risner was valued ahead of him.