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    I knew casual NFL fans would give Manning all the credit eventually, but I never thought hard core Bronco fans would forget that season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strafen View Post
    Reid has been an established head coach for a number of years with a good track record. How many years has Dan Quinn been a head coach? Not long enough if I have to ask. I don’t even remember him being the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons
    You don’t remember all the blown double-digit leads and piss poor defenses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkie View Post
    I knew casual NFL fans would give Manning all the credit eventually, but I never thought hard core Bronco fans would forget that season.
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    Football is above all for me entertainment. I have watched enough of Cousins to know that he is a damn sight more entertaining to watch than Teddy Bridgewater who I consider second only to Orton in the boring QB Olympics. You can claim they're on the same tier all you want but not all average QBs are built the same. And let's be honest, we won our last SB with average QB play. Yes, there was more to it than a typical average QB season because Manning still brought a ton with his mind and the respect he garnered from the opposition even though be had average numbers, his production was in fact average.

    My overall point is that if we go into the season next year with Cousins as our QB I will have more hope for the season than if we resigned Teddy and I damn sure would have a helluva lot more fun watching them.
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    Here's a podcast Woody Paige has been pushing with Dan Quinn. I'm listening now. It's called Finding Mastery, I'm listening on Spotify but it looks like it's available on a few different platforms.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Pl...urce=copy-link
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    What's the deal with Mozz and Woody riding Quinn so hard?

    He literally had 1 good season and completely wasted the rest of his time with one of the best QBs in the league. Leadership is great but it's not the end all be all of being a good HC. Fangio was a pretty good leader, and yet here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    What's the deal with Mozz and Woody riding Quinn so hard?

    He literally had 1 good season and completely wasted the rest of his time with one of the best QBs in the league. Leadership is great but it's not the end all be all of being a good HC. Fangio was a pretty good leader, and yet here we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    What's the deal with Mozz and Woody riding Quinn so hard?

    He literally had 1 good season and completely wasted the rest of his time with one of the best QBs in the league. Leadership is great but it's not the end all be all of being a good HC. Fangio was a pretty good leader, and yet here we are.
    Dan Quinn will be more of the same. No more DC for head coaching jobs in Denver

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    CoachChaz may have been correct in saying the Broncos are interviewing for coordinators as well.

    I’m moving my prediction that Quinn is hired by Friday.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si....uinn-all-along

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    What's the deal with Mozz and Woody riding Quinn so hard?

    He literally had 1 good season and completely wasted the rest of his time with one of the best QBs in the league. Leadership is great but it's not the end all be all of being a good HC. Fangio was a pretty good leader, and yet here we are.
    The thing I hate most about hiring any defensive coach is that even if he gets the OC hire correct, then they will inevitably get poached for a HC role in a year or two. If you don't have a steady offensive philosophy to draft and develop around AND you don't have a QB who can burden that role, then you're behind half the league and just asking for more failure on that side of the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkie View Post
    Manning is not really why Kubiak had success. He only had 9 TDs and 17 INTs with 59% completion in 2015. He sucked. Kubiak may have won the SB with the worst QB in history, but he did have Oz in the most important regular season games that clinched home field advantage in the playoffs. Defense and home field were more important factors in the SB 50 run than Peyton and his 12 yard duck passes.
    Correct. Kubiak gets props for how he handled the team, and particularly how he handled the Manning/Brock situation. He doesn't get enough credit for standing up to Peyton when it was clear he needed to be benched long enough to fully heal from his foot injury. Lessor coaches would do exactly what Peyton wanted, and that would have been to bring Peyton back way too early. Peyton wasn't happy about Kubes decision, but he probably sees now it was for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff View Post
    The thing I hate most about hiring any defensive coach is that even if he gets the OC hire correct, then they will inevitably get poached for a HC role in a year or two. If you don't have a steady offensive philosophy to draft and develop around AND you don't have a QB who can burden that role, then you're behind half the league and just asking for more failure on that side of the ball.
    That’s correct. Just look at how many teams are trying to pluck Green Bay’s OC and quarterback coach from them. Same thing with Keller Moore, Brian Callahan, etc...
    We haven’t had OC continuity and consistency for more than two years in a row that are worth a flip. Scangarello, a promising and creative OC from the Kyle Shanahan school of west coast offense was not given a fair shot, instead was replaced by Pat Shurmur. That one was a big blunder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R8R H8R View Post
    Correct. Kubiak gets props for how he handled the team, and particularly how he handled the Manning/Brock situation. He doesn't get enough credit for standing up to Peyton when it was clear he needed to be benched long enough to fully heal from his foot injury. Lessor coaches would do exactly what Peyton wanted, and that would have been to bring Peyton back way too early. Peyton wasn't happy about Kubes decision, but he probably sees now it was for the best.
    Very well said. At the end, it paid off big!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    What's the deal with Mozz and Woody riding Quinn so hard?

    He literally had 1 good season and completely wasted the rest of his time with one of the best QBs in the league. Leadership is great but it's not the end all be all of being a good HC. Fangio was a pretty good leader, and yet here we are.
    Come on. Fangio was myopic with the defense. That's not a secret at all, and not a true leader of the team. Paton has already said he wants a guy that manages the whole team, not just one side of it, and that includes an offensive guy. Hackett had to show he has a vision for the entire team also, just not offense. Maybe he did, idk.

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    One of the redeeming things I see in Quinn is that the roster has not been successful under new leadership either. As someone else stated, the defensive "talent" the Falcons had was extremely non-existent during his time there.

    Offensively, the Falcons strengths were the offensive line and Julio Jones (who gradually slowed down after their Super Bowl appearance). Sark gets faulted for his performance after Kyle, but Dirk Koetter ended up being their Pat Shurmur and costing Quinn his job. The offense, that supposedly used to be the strength of the team, had overpaid talent not adding value to that side of the football.

    The more I look at the Falcon's rosters during the time he was there, the more okay I am with Quinn. Terry Fontenot has had his work cut out for him since he took that GM job cleaning up Dimitroff's mess, holy cow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    You don’t remember all the blown double-digit leads and piss poor defenses?
    Yeah i definitely remember that Atlanta team he had, to be a defensive guy the falcons defense was garbage consistently year in year out. There offense was pretty damn good though.

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