Thread: Educate me on the New HC options. Who do we want and why?

Interesting tidbit from Woody. That said, it could also be much ado about nothing.

Well hope they can find a HC that can really bring back winning and really know what they are doing. Plus have experience.

Experience is the most overrated facet in life. You gain experience by doing; you either have the ability or you don't. Resting on the laurels of experience is how the Peter Principle exists.

So a thought dawned on me. One big advantage about hiring an offensive minded HC is Coordinator retention. The obvious trend is young OCs getting hired as HCs. If we hire Quinn and he nails his OC hire there's a good chance we lose that guy in a year or two. The odds of a good OC getting plucked away for a HC job are much higher than a good DC getting nabbed, at least in today's NFL.

Originally Posted by King87

Experience is the most overrated facet in life. You gain experience by doing; you either have the ability or you don't. Resting on the laurels of experience is how the Peter Principle exists.

Experience just means you ****** up. Nobody with experience is ever available if they were good enough first time around.

Originally Posted by King87

Experience is the most overrated facet in life. You gain experience by doing; you either have the ability or you don't. Resting on the laurels of experience is how the Peter Principle exists.

To be fair, the Broncos have had success with retreads. Shanahan, Fox, and Kubiak were all previous HCs elsewhere before Denver. It’s the first timers with no experience that have bitten us the worst in Wade Phillips, McDaniels, VJ, and Fangio.

Quinn isn’t my first choice because he’s a defensive HC, but we could do worse.

Originally Posted by Gyldenlove

Experience just means you ****** up. Nobody with experience is ever available if they were good enough first time around.

True, but great teams rarely change coaches. New head coaches normally end up on bad teams, just like #1 overall picks. Just because they failed in their first attempt on a bad team doesn’t mean they’re a bad coach. If that was the case guys like Shanahan, Bellicheat, and Andy Reid would’ve never gotten a second chance and wouldn’t have SB rings.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

True, but great teams rarely change coaches. New head coaches normally end up on bad teams, just like #1 overall picks. Just because they failed in their first attempt on a bad team doesn’t mean they’re a bad coach. If that was the case guys like Shanahan, Bellicheat, and Andy Reid would’ve never gotten a second chance and wouldn’t have SB rings.

Now that you mention it, Reid is an interesting comparison to Quinn. Had some success with his first team, lost a Super Bowl, then things went down hill. Has had considerably more success in job #2. Hopefully Quinn can have a similar trajectory.

Some perspective on Gannon in this thread.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

To be fair, the Broncos have had success with retreads. Shanahan, Fox, and Kubiak were all previous HCs elsewhere before Denver. It’s the first timers with no experience that have bitten us the worst in Wade Phillips, McDaniels, VJ, and Fangio.

Quinn isn’t my first choice because he’s a defensive HC, but we could do worse.

Shanahan was fired by a foolish owner and was clearly a bright young coach. Maybe no one could have guessed he was one of the top three greatest offensive minds ever...but still. He was technically a retread, but only in the same way a tomato is technically a fruit.

Fox was never a good head coach, IMO. But that's a different rant and I'm very harsh on Fox.

There's no greatness to be had with most retreads. They've had their experience, they showed you what you have.

Originally Posted by Mozzafiato

Now that you mention it, Reid is an interesting comparison to Quinn. Had some success with his first team, lost a Super Bowl, then things went down hill. Has had considerably more success in job #2. Hopefully Quinn can have a similar trajectory.

I don't see any comparison at all. Reid was a certified genius in Philadelphia with a long track record of winning. Reid failed to win a SB ring, but he didn't fail as a head coach. Belichick was the least head coach to get Cleveland into the playoffs, and they bombed after him. He didn't fail in Cleveland, they pulled a Cleveland and booted him.

Originally Posted by King87

I don't see any comparison at all. Reid was a certified genius in Philadelphia with a long track record of winning. Reid failed to win a SB ring, but he didn't fail as a head coach. Belichick was the least head coach to get Cleveland into the playoffs, and they bombed after him. He didn't fail in Cleveland, they pulled a Cleveland and booted him.

You don't see any comparison at all? Not even the clear and obvious one I specifically mentioned? Look again, King!

Originally Posted by King87

I don't see any comparison at all. Reid was a certified genius in Philadelphia with a long track record of winning. Reid failed to win a SB ring, but he didn't fail as a head coach. Belichick was the least head coach to get Cleveland into the playoffs, and they bombed after him. He didn't fail in Cleveland, they pulled a Cleveland and booted him.

exactly. . . reid went to four straight NFC championship games in philly-- his run there was hugely successful, even without a ring. . . and IIRC, belly fell prey to the browns moving to baltimore. . .

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

To be fair, the Broncos have had success with retreads. Shanahan, Fox, and Kubiak were all previous HCs elsewhere before Denver. It’s the first timers with no experience that have bitten us the worst in Wade Phillips, McDaniels, VJ, and Fangio.

Quinn isn’t my first choice because he’s a defensive HC, but we could do worse.

We may have only had success with retreads because Elway and Manning were our QBs during their tenures. My biggest fear is that until we get our QB situation figured out, we are going to struggle regardless of who we pick at coach. Even Belichick floundered with subpar QB play last year and you see the stats for Kyle Shannahan with and without Jimmy G its amazing, and he's just an average QB!