Thread: Lebron James now 3-5 out of 8 NBA Finals

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

False.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ichael-jordans

Please explain how my primary statement is false.

Here are the payrolls for the top seven NBA teams this season:

1. Cleveland $128,492,467 $125,214,676 $125,639,481 $81,144,582 $0
2. Portland $119,732,234 $137,343,153 $119,918,760 $116,763,587 $60,981,105
3. LA Clippers $114,756,766 $108,406,193 $57,403,025 $0 $0
4. San Antonio $112,017,779 $90,023,910 $52,445,203 $21,329,750 $0
5. Memphis $110,118,520 $92,188,766 $83,251,936 $83,209,835 $34,502,130
6. Toronto $108,335,030 $77,356,147 $67,624,301 $45,357,951 $27,739,975
7. Golden State $107,526,542 $65,282,124 $36,458,290 $18,539,130 $0

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

With regard to my second statement, Miami was favored in 2011 against the Mavericks and 2013 against the Spurs. Moreover, Miami should have been favored against OKC in 2012 because they were the better team. I'm also not sure why the Heat weren't favored in 2014 against the Spurs.

Finally, LeBron has been the de facto gm of the Cavs since rejoining them and built the Cavs teams that have lost two of the last three NBA Championships. As a result, LeBron isn't entitled to any sympathy for the fact that the Cavs teams he built may have been the underdogs in those NBA Championships.

Originally Posted by MNPatsFan

Please explain how my primary statement is false.

Here are the payrolls for the top seven NBA teams this season:


http://hoopshype.com/salaries/

With regard to my second statement, Miami was favored in 2011 against the Mavericks and 2013 against the Spurs. Moreover, Miami should have been favored against OKC in 2012 because they were the better team. I'm also not sure why the Heat weren't favored in 2014 against the Spurs.

Finally, LeBron has been the de facto gm of the Cavs since rejoining them and built the Cavs teams that have lost two of the last three NBA Championships. As a result, LeBron isn't entitled to any sympathy for the fact that the Cavs teams he built may have been the underdogs in those NBA Championships.

I wasn't disputing payroll. Payroll is also not an indication of level of play, anyway.

His Miami teams were favored twice and underdogs twice, so your statement that they were "always favored" just isn't true.

Stupid argument is stupid.

LBJ is one of the greatest ever to play. Like it or not.

I'm not interested in "who's the best ever" in the least bit.

I am, Jordan is the best ever.

Originally Posted by Northman

I am, Jordan is the best ever.

Agreed and imo it isn't even close.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. It's the whole "Things were way better back in my day" effect.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Nostalgia is a powerful thing. It's the whole "Things were way better back in my day" effect.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Jordan is arguably one of, if not the greatest players ever. This statement is why these arguments are just dumb.

This is not a slight on LeBron either. I'd list them as 1a and 1b. You decide which one is which.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it. Jordan is arguably one of, if not the greatest players ever. This statement is why these arguments are just dumb.

This is not a slight on LeBron either. I'd list them as 1a and 1b. You decide which one is which.

I'm talking about the people who say there is no way Jordan could ever be touched as greatest ever, or that LeBron isn't even in his stratosphere. Those people are blinded by their love for Jordan if they will never accept that anyone could be in his league. Those are the people I'm talking about.

Originally Posted by DenBronx

Agreed and imo it isn't even close.

Like this post. It's perfectly rational to still say Jordan is the best ever, but if you're saying it's not even close then you just aren't being objective. It's definitely close now.

If Lebron is on TV, people don't stop what they are doing to watch.

When the bulls were on, it was an event.

Originally Posted by BeefStew25

If Lebron is on TV, people don't stop what they are doing to watch.

When the bulls were on, it was an event.

Ok?

Originally Posted by Canmore

He's probably 8-0 also. I'll take Mike.

I can't debate because I stopped watching basketball when most of that era retired. I do agree MJ would have had more rings if he didn't venture to play baseball.

Originally Posted by Nomad

I can't debate because I stopped watching basketball when most of that era retired. I do agree MJ would have had more rings if he didn't venture to play baseball.

Maybe, the Rockets were pretty dominant during that 2 year run.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Maybe, the Rockets were pretty dominant during that 2 year run.

Yep. We'll never know how things would have turned out.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Ok?

Just a little context since you were like what 9 at the time?