Thread: Colin Trevorrow fired from Star Wars: Episode IX due to disagreements over The Last Jedi

Originally Posted by MasterShake

First of all I would like to thank Shane for keeping his criticisms in this thread lately, I come in here to see the other side of the argument and keep my finger on the pulse.

Second, I am sick of the vocal minority of Star Wars fans being labeled as indicative of the greater fan-base as a whole.

These fans are in every fan-base. They feel like they are gatekeepers of some mystical truth and god forbid if you go against what is supposed to happen in their minds. When you tie up your personality in pop-culture, sports, or whatever instead of cultivating your own it is very easy to feel personally offended when suddenly the thing you love changes or takes on a new identity. I have lived through the Ewok backlash, the Special Edition furor, the George Lucas "raped my childhood" crowd, the prequel-bashers, and now this. This is nothing new, just a continuation of people taking something that is supposed to be an escape or a hobby and making it their lives.

I have three display cases full of Star Wars stuff (most recently an awesome young Lando figure from the new Solo flick) to remind me of the good things about the movies I like. I don't have a Rose figure, or Supreme Leader Snoke bubble bath, but I also have nothing against the things I don't think work. I appreciate the risks The Last Jedi took, even though many of the ideas didn't stick. In the end Star Wars is a small part of who I am, but the minute I make it all about me and I lash out when it doesn't line up with what I define it to be I hope someone calls me out because I honestly think that is a symptom of much bigger personal problems. The reason? Star Wars or any thing someone likes is a different experience for everyone and I am not the keeper of truth on what those reasons are.

I have a friend who's 5 year old daughter dresses up like Rey for the last two Halloweens and any chance she gets. I have a father who doesn't know the difference between the First Order and The Empire but who still comes to the new movies with me and my son because he remembers taking me when I was younger. I have a wife who doesn't care for Star Wars but allows me to take up a good chunk of space in our home because she knows what a geek I am about this and the Broncos and it makes me happy. And last but not least, I have a son who sees this all as one big story and absorbs what he likes and dismisses what he doesn't.

If all Star Wars does right now is make you angry, I truly feel bad for you. At their heart they were never meant to be taken this seriously and are just fun modern myths. This criticism isn't aimed at anyone in this thread or Shane in particular, just my musings as a fan that remembers going to the drive in to see the originals and knowing that I can never capture that feeling again but I can appreciate it in those that are having it now.

Just to touch on your newest addition...there are some pretty cool young Lando items out there now. Loved him!

Originally Posted by GEM

Just to touch on your newest addition...there are some pretty cool young Lando items out there now. Loved him!

Yup! This is the one I picked up. Love the eyebrow raise. Childish Gambino = Childish Landino

This is probably my next purchase.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Yup! This is the one I picked up. Love the eyebrow raise. Childish Gambino = Childish Landino

He was such a good choice for Lando. He just got the character completely.

Originally Posted by GEM

He was such a good choice for Lando. He just got the character completely.

I loved the running jokes about his capes.

I really want to see this movie now. Maybe Last Jedi too. Because I like how much it's becoming accessible to not-mes. I like inclusivity. Big parties are fun parties. I bet I'll hate TLJ but maybe not.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

I loved the running jokes about his capes.

Right!!! Who would have thought the Falcon had a cape room!

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I really want to see this movie now. Maybe Last Jedi too. Because I like how much it's becoming accessible to not-mes. I like inclusivity. Big parties are fun parties. I bet I'll hate TLJ but maybe not.

It is a movie where you truly decide if you’re going to like it or not.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

First of all I would like to thank Shane for keeping his criticisms in this thread lately, I come in here to see the other side of the argument and keep my finger on the pulse.

Second, I am sick of the vocal minority of Star Wars fans being labeled as indicative of the greater fan-base as a whole.

These fans are in every fan-base. They feel like they are gatekeepers of some mystical truth and god forbid if you go against what is supposed to happen in their minds. When you tie up your personality in pop-culture, sports, or whatever instead of cultivating your own it is very easy to feel personally offended when suddenly the thing you love changes or takes on a new identity. I have lived through the Ewok backlash, the Special Edition furor, the George Lucas "raped my childhood" crowd, the prequel-bashers, and now this. This is nothing new, just a continuation of people taking something that is supposed to be an escape or a hobby and making it their lives.

I have three display cases full of Star Wars stuff (most recently an awesome young Lando figure from the new Solo flick) to remind me of the good things about the movies I like. I don't have a Rose figure, or Supreme Leader Snoke bubble bath, but I also have nothing against the things I don't think work. I appreciate the risks The Last Jedi took, even though many of the ideas didn't stick. In the end Star Wars is a small part of who I am, but the minute I make it all about me and I lash out when it doesn't line up with what I define it to be I hope someone calls me out because I honestly think that is a symptom of much bigger personal problems. The reason? Star Wars or any thing someone likes is a different experience for everyone and I am not the keeper of truth on what those reasons are.

I have a friend who's 5 year old daughter dresses up like Rey for the last two Halloweens and any chance she gets. I have a father who doesn't know the difference between the First Order and The Empire but who still comes to the new movies with me and my son because he remembers taking me when I was younger. I have a wife who doesn't care for Star Wars but allows me to take up a good chunk of space in our home because she knows what a geek I am about this and the Broncos and it makes me happy. And last but not least, I have a son who sees this all as one big story and absorbs what he likes and dismisses what he doesn't.

If all Star Wars does right now is make you angry, I truly feel bad for you. At their heart they were never meant to be taken this seriously and are just fun modern myths. This criticism isn't aimed at anyone in this thread or Shane in particular, just my musings as a fan that remembers going to the drive in to see the originals and knowing that I can never capture that feeling again but I can appreciate it in those that are having it now.

well said. i get that is apart of star wars. i remember the prequel backlash. But to me, that was just a difference of opinion. Not around the whole universe itself.

i get you said it isnt directed at me, but let me clarify my stance.....i dont hate star wars, it doesnt make me angry.

Disney does tho. Disney has changed the rules, and interjected political agendas into a film that never really had an agenda other then "republic vs empire, dark vs light".

They also seem to be fine just making a new death star every film, or new star destroyer, and just making it "bigger badder newer". Which in reality, is just lazy as ****. It becomes an Independence day sequel at that point. Built on disaster CGI porn.

Weaponizing hyperspace, makes every single death star fight in previous films, pretty much worthless, when all they had to do was fly an xwing in hyperspace at the deathstar.

This destruction of the previous elements in films and rewriting the script with pure laziness and shitty writing, and refusal to care for what was given to them in previous films..... is what bothers me most.

I feel disneys message for star wars is "we have our agenda, we dont care about what this story was, our agenda reigns supreme, shut up and buy our star wars junk"

Originally Posted by GEM

Why is Star Wars fandom the most disgusting pack? Just read how Daisy Ridley had to delete her social media presence and actually sought counseling because of fans. Now Kelly Marie Tran (Rose) had to do the same thing. I'm actually disgusted with that side of this new obsession.

Just pathetic and terrible. And some of these jackasses that pride themselves on how clever and all knowing they are can’t seperate a character from an actor that had nothing to do with the writing.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

well said. i get that is apart of star wars. i remember the prequel backlash. But to me, that was just a difference of opinion. Not around the whole universe itself.

i get you said it isnt directed at me, but let me clarify my stance.....i dont hate star wars, it doesnt make me angry.

Disney does tho. Disney has changed the rules, and interjected political agendas into a film that never really had an agenda other then "republic vs empire, dark vs light".

They also seem to be fine just making a new death star every film, or new star destroyer, and just making it "bigger badder newer". Which in reality, is just lazy as ****. It becomes an Independence day sequel at that point. Built on disaster CGI porn.

Weaponizing hyperspace, makes every single death star fight in previous films, pretty much worthless, when all they had to do was fly an xwing in hyperspace at the deathstar.

This destruction of the previous elements in films and rewriting the script with pure laziness and shitty writing, and refusal to care for what was given to them in previous films..... is what bothers me most.

I feel disneys message for star wars is "we have our agenda, we dont care about what this story was, our agenda reigns supreme, shut up and buy our star wars junk"

I think after the recent backlash that plan may change. Hopefully JJ can right the ship and the other movies will take the legacy more seriously.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

I think after the recent backlash that plan may change. Hopefully JJ can right the ship and the other movies will take the legacy more seriously.

i think he could. I actually liked the Force Awakens.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-star...192400219.html

'Star Wars' Spin-Offs Reportedly On Hold Due to 'Solo' Flopping

Fire Kathleen Kennedy, end the SJW nonsense, ill see the next one

I died laughing!

I have faith in jj. Every series he takes part in does well. I love his mission impossible movies. The bad robot team make quality stuff.

I've been a fan since lost even if lost got weird at the end.