Thread: Ducks on the Pond

I don't care who we get as long as he can play and stays out of jail. Who cares if Igor, or anyone else for that matter, hates the Broncos. I'd have less respect for the division rivals if they didn't.

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

Honestly, I wouldn't mind having Igor. The guy is a beast.

It would be a bit like Neal Smith coming over from KC. I hated him there... Maybe Cutler could tell him, It's nice to have you on the good side. I would love to see him smash Rivers into the ground 3 or 4 times a year..

I did not like Igor at first, thought he was drafted to high, but the games I seen him the past two years or so impressed me.. Seemed to have non stop motor..

Originally Posted by fcspikeit

BR said Raji was the top guy on our board, It's true he mentioned others we were heavily looking at but Raji was the only one he listed as our clear top choice..

I don't put much stock in us taking a guy in the 1st just to block SD from getting him. But it would be an extra bonus.. Like trading a guy out of the division, we have seen teams take a lesser trade just so they don't have to face the guy twice a year..

Neither do I put much stock in Denver taking a running back in the first round just to block San Diego from getting him. Where I don't agree with Cugel is idea not drafting Moreno even all of our top defensive picks are gone. If he's clearly the best player on the board at point take him. Should that happen then I would say do what it takes to get the next best nose tackle available.

well, I do that strategy all the time in my fantasy football drafts. If i need say a WR and the next couple guys behind me need RB- I will take the RB and wait another round for a lesser WR.

RB's are too valuable commodity in FF and real football, and if i can make my team better and the same time keep another team from getting better. That gain is larger than me making a big improvement where i need it, and the other team making a big improvement where they need it.


But with our needs, i dont see how they can do that. If we had a half a defense then i would say yes. With our whole defense needing to be fixed i say no thanks- we must trade down for someone who wants moreno.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Neither do I put much stock in Denver taking a running back in the first round just to block San Diego from getting him. Where I don't agree with Cugel is idea not drafting Moreno even all of our top defensive picks are gone. If he's clearly the best player on the board at point take him. Should that happen then I would say do what it takes to get the next best nose tackle available.

Originally Posted by underrated29

well, I do that strategy all the time in my fantasy football drafts. If i need say a WR and the next couple guys behind me need RB- I will take the RB and wait another round for a lesser WR.

RB's are too valuable commodity in FF and real football, and if i can make my team better and the same time keep another team from getting better. That gain is larger than me making a big improvement where i need it, and the other team making a big improvement where they need it.


But with our needs, i dont see how they can do that. If we had a half a defense then i would say yes. With our whole defense needing to be fixed i say no thanks- we must trade down for someone who wants moreno.

I agree with the trade down but we would have to find someone willing to trade with us. and it be worth our while..

Here's how I see it. Lets say we have 224 guys on our board, the top 10 are rated 9+ the next 10 are rated 8.5 - 8.8. If 8 of our top 10 guys are gone, the 2 being left are both RB's, who have ratings of 9.5 and 9.4 do you take the RB who is now at the top of your board or a defensive guy with an 8.8 rating? If you could trade down around 5-8 spots, your guarantied to be able to at least get one of your guys with an 8.5 + rating.

IMO, It makes more sense to do that then to just go ahead and take the guy with the 8.8 rating at 12. Either that or take the guy with the 9.5 rating...

Some might say, we need the guy with the 8.8 rating so we should take him, The problem I have with this is that, they knew how much they needed help at the position when they gave the players the rating. That has already been figured into the equation. If they wanted that player so much more then anyone else, why didn't they give him a higher rating? You get my point? It's their rating, their the ones who put him in the group he's in. They already said he wasn't much better then the other guys around him when they gave him the grade.. So why would they waist the 12th pick to take him over the other guys they could have had 15 - 20?

Plus, they knew their need for RB when they gave the RB the 9.5 grade.. Clearly despite of the need, they felt he was that great a talent. The same logic that gave him the 9.5, also says they should take him at 12 if their going to pick there..

Originally Posted by underrated29

well, I do that strategy all the time in my fantasy football drafts. If i need say a WR and the next couple guys behind me need RB- I will take the RB and wait another round for a lesser WR.

RB's are too valuable commodity in FF and real football, and if i can make my team better and the same time keep another team from getting better. That gain is larger than me making a big improvement where i need it, and the other team making a big improvement where they need it.


But with our needs, i dont see how they can do that. If we had a half a defense then i would say yes. With our whole defense needing to be fixed i say no thanks- we must trade down for someone who wants moreno.

Finding a trade partner when you're wanting to trade down is difficult, because teams just don't like giving up the draft currency. However, running backs are ususally a pretty safe pick, so if some other teams wants him bad enough I'm sure a deal could be made.

Heck I would even entertain the idea of trading with the Dudz so long as the deal included not only this year's number one, next year's number one and Felicia Rivers would have wear a dresses as his uniform.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

Finding a trade partner when you're wanting to trade down is difficult, because teams just don't like giving up the draft currency. However, running backs are ususally a pretty safe pick, so if some other teams wants him bad enough I'm sure a deal could be made.

Heck I would even entertain the idea of trading with the Dudz so long as the deal included not only this year's number one, next year's number one and Felicia Rivers would have wear a dresses as his uniform.

Your right, in the NFL its all about this year. Teams are willing to throw away a lot to land a guy, they believe will put them over the hump.

If we could get a #1 next year to move back 5 - 8 spots in the situation I just described, I would jump on it, assuming of course that was the best offer

Originally Posted by fcspikeit

Your right, in the NFL its all about this year. Teams are willing to throw away a lot to land a guy, they believe will put them over the hump.

If we could get a #1 next year to move back 5 - 8 spots in the situation I just described, I would jump on it, assuming of course that was the best offer

Most definitely.

Comparing a Fantasy Football draft with an NFL draft... priceless!

Blue, I'd say whoever is telling you that McFadden was a 2 of 5 player was either BSing you or doesn't belong in the league. Character concerns... sure! Trouble running inside...okay. But he was most certainly rated high in Catching the ball, Outside running, and ability to break the big play. Anybody that thinks otherwise simply does not deserve to have a position in the NFL. Seriously Jonathon Stewart had two more catches in his college career than McFadden. Are you going to try and defend those two catches as a defining difference?

If you're going to make stuff up at least make it good. Tell me the Broncos are considering trading their first in 2010 so that they can draft both Maclin and Wells or something. Make up something good! Saying we are targeting Pettigrew b/c Gase watched him while he was with the Niners is lame.

Here's who Bronco fans should watch for... Raji, Maualuga, and then Brown in the first round. In the 2nd round, watch for Delmas. Oh btw, weren't you the one that was saying the Broncos were so high on William Moore. So much so that they were concerned he could go in the top 10? The same William Moore that could be around on day two! Your information is horrible and if it is real... even a little bit, I have great concerns with the Broncos organization. GREAT CONCERNS!

Originally Posted by Bad Intentions

Comparing a Fantasy Football draft with an NFL draft... priceless!

Blue, I'd say whoever is telling you that McFadden was a 2 of 5 player was either BSing you or doesn't belong in the league. Character concerns... sure! Trouble running inside...okay. But he was most certainly rated high in Catching the ball, Outside running, and ability to break the big play. Anybody that thinks otherwise simply does not deserve to have a position in the NFL. Seriously Jonathon Stewart had two more catches in his college career than McFadden. Are you going to try and defend those two catches as a defining difference?

I remember at the combine a lot of people talking about his ability to catch the ball.. How many more drops did he have then Stewart? Does he catch with his hand our try and trap it in the breadbox? I'm not saying Stewart was a better receiving option, just that there is a hell of a lot more you have to look at then just comparing total receptions

Originally Posted by Bad Intentions

Here's who Bronco fans should watch for... Raji, Maualuga, and then Brown in the first round. In the 2nd round, watch for Delmas. Oh btw, weren't you the one that was saying the Broncos were so high on William Moore. So much so that they were concerned he could go in the top 10? The same William Moore that could be around on day two! Your information is horrible and if it is real... even a little bit, I have great concerns with the Broncos organization. GREAT CONCERNS!

LOL, there are mocks showing players going all over... How many times do you think players will rise and fall from now until right before the draft?.. Even then, How many high rated players will fall or rise in the draft?

How many mocks had Mayo going in the top 10? A lot of things will change from now until draft day. We will have a better idea of where players might go after the combine but even then, there will always be some surprises...

Originally Posted by fcspikeit

I agree with the trade down but we would have to find someone willing to trade with us. and it be worth our while..

Here's how I see it. Lets say we have 224 guys on our board, the top 10 are rated 9+ the next 10 are rated 8.5 - 8.8. If 8 of our top 10 guys are gone, the 2 being left are both RB's, who have ratings of 9.5 and 9.4 do you take the RB who is now at the top of your board or a defensive guy with an 8.8 rating? If you could trade down around 5-8 spots, your guarantied to be able to at least get one of your guys with an 8.5 + rating.

IMO, It makes more sense to do that then to just go ahead and take the guy with the 8.8 rating at 12. Either that or take the guy with the 9.5 rating...

Some might say, we need the guy with the 8.8 rating so we should take him, The problem I have with this is that, they knew how much they needed help at the position when they gave the players the rating. That has already been figured into the equation. If they wanted that player so much more then anyone else, why didn't they give him a higher rating? You get my point? It's their rating, their the ones who put him in the group he's in. They already said he wasn't much better then the other guys around him when they gave him the grade.. So why would they waist the 12th pick to take him over the other guys they could have had 15 - 20?

Plus, they knew their need for RB when they gave the RB the 9.5 grade.. Clearly despite of the need, they felt he was that great a talent. The same logic that gave him the 9.5, also says they should take him at 12 if their going to pick there..

This I have to question If the scouts are going out and doing their job correctly yes they have a shopping list and once it is filled with names they bring back in then it is time for everyone to set down and watch game tape and rate them..

I do not believe that they are looking strong at positions where they are OK at but they will not NOT bring back tapes of a stud they see at say TE.. But since all the scouts are going to rate these players and then the new coaching staff. I'll bet we stay near our needs list before we pick up a future TE stud.. Unless they know something about existing players they will not be sharing with us..

Like when mikey drafted Jay.. only a few haters saw that one coming..

Originally Posted by fcspikeit

I remember at the combine a lot of people talking about his ability to catch the ball.. How many more drops did he have then Stewart? Does he catch with his hand our try and trap it in the breadbox? I'm not saying Stewart was a better receiving option, just that there is a hell of a lot more you have to look at then just comparing total receptions





LOL, there are mocks showing players going all over... How many times do you think players will rise and fall from now until right before the draft?.. Even then, How many high rated players will fall or rise in the draft?

How many mocks had Mayo going in the top 10? A lot of things will change from now until draft day. We will have a better idea of where players might go after the combine but even then, there will always be some surprises...

The news on William Moore was broke a few days ago. In the last year he has gone from a virtual top 15 pick to a day two pick. Care to see what people were saying about him during the Sr. Bowl?

"• Missouri S William Moore failed to impress today. Not only did he look pretty stiff and not real quick but he also gave a huge cushion in coverage and it was as if he was scared of getting beat deep."

" • Missouri S William Moore gave the impression that he's a good player and has a nasty attitude about him. However, he is definitely a strong safety prospect and when put back in half cover he went way back. Moore's biggest flash of the day was when he came up and laid a big hit on Rashad Jennings." Who is the last strong safety to go early in the draft, even Roy Williams was drafted to play FS.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...lliammoore.jpg

Plus he senior season was terrible which further lowers his stock.

Originally Posted by Bad Intentions

The news on William Moore was broke a few days ago. In the last year he has gone from a virtual top 15 pick to a day two pick. Care to see what people were saying about him during the Sr. Bowl?

"• Missouri S William Moore failed to impress today. Not only did he look pretty stiff and not real quick but he also gave a huge cushion in coverage and it was as if he was scared of getting beat deep."

" • Missouri S William Moore gave the impression that he's a good player and has a nasty attitude about him. However, he is definitely a strong safety prospect and when put back in half cover he went way back. Moore's biggest flash of the day was when he came up and laid a big hit on Rashad Jennings." Who is the last strong safety to go early in the draft, even Roy Williams was drafted to play FS.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/featur...lliammoore.jpg

Plus he senior season was terrible which further lowers his stock.

OK, so he may be dropping.. Either way, I bet he is getting a lot of looks from the Broncos because we need S help. Maybe they will decide he isn't worth the 12th pick? Maybe he will fall all the way out of the 1st round.. Stranger things have happened.

Your admitting he was rated high at one point right? So how does any of that prove the Broncos weren't/aren't seriously looking at him?

Originally Posted by Jrwiz

This I have to question If the scouts are going out and doing their job correctly yes they have a shopping list and once it is filled with names they bring back in then it is time for everyone to set down and watch game tape and rate them..

I do not believe that they are looking strong at positions where they are OK at but they will not NOT bring back tapes of a stud they see at say TE.. But since all the scouts are going to rate these players and then the new coaching staff. I'll bet we stay near our needs list before we pick up a future TE stud.. Unless they know something about existing players they will not be sharing with us..

Like when mikey drafted Jay.. only a few haters saw that one coming..

Here's what I think Jr, I bet our team scouts, scout areas of need. I bet the team also hires private scouting companies to do some scouting for them.. I'm sure they have a grade on the best at every position.. They probably don't have 224 players scouted on their board, but I'll bet it's more then 100..

They have to look deep, otherwise they might be out of players on their board with their last few picks.. If they didn't have at least some scouting report on the entire draft, they wouldn't be able to take advantage of falling players.

As I said, maybe the team scouts don't waist a lot of time looking at positions of none need, but I bet they at least have privet scouting outfits giving them reports of players. Plus, who do you suppose our WR coach would be looking at? LB's?

Just because our WR coach might really like a WR or TE, that doesn't mean we are going to draft one... All that means is that he is watching his position of expertise.