Thread: What Grade Do You Give This Draft?

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

I sure as heck hope this kid pans out. Check the 1:25 minute mark.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR34NCgLfFQ

That kid loves pancaking people. And I love him for it!

Even though I don't really care for pancakes.

Muti demolishes people smaller than him. When I watched him he didn't always get the right leverage on guys as big as him, but now he gets to refine that mauler skillset with Munchak. He's exactly the guy you wanna see with a technical coach.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

I sure as heck hope this kid pans out. Check the 1:25 minute mark.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR34NCgLfFQ

And with that, we've seen every down he actually played in his college career.

But seriously...if he can be healthy and stay healthy...he'll be a beast.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

And with that, we've seen every down he actually played in his college career.

But seriously...if he can be healthy and stay healthy...he'll be a beast.

Highlight films are fun to watch, but over a full season (x4 in a lot of cases) with hundreds (thousands?) of plays, it's tough to gauge a person's true ability based off of those highlights unless you watch every single play.

Keep in mind Joe that was his his Freshman year. It's pretty much universally accepted that if healthy he's in the top 3 at the position this year.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Highlight films are fun to watch, but over a full season (x4 in a lot of cases) with hundreds (thousands?) of plays, it's tough to gauge a person's true ability based off of those highlights unless you watch every single play.

I know...I was just joking that, based on his injury history, that clip may very well show every play

Originally Posted by G_Money

Muti demolishes people smaller than him. When I watched him he didn't always get the right leverage on guys as big as him, but now he gets to refine that mauler skillset with Munchak. He's exactly the guy you wanna see with a technical coach.

I dont know G. That boy is from here on the islands and hes used to tossing big boys. We polys eat a lot of pineapple, fish and rice and taro. heh heh


Take a look at the vid I posted........those are Dlinemen hes tossing for the most part.


I do agree tho....with more coaching.....whoa.

One bag poi

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Man, you are really over-thinking this some times. Aside from quoting Schlereth, who has been very public about his (often personal) disdain for Bolles...and now Franklin, who had 39 penalties in 89 career starts...where is the data or any proof that this system and the continued development under a quality offensive line coach is 100% destined for failure?

We've seen what Lock could do in a very vanilla system, with limited options while being protected by revolving combinations of Bolles, Risner, Schlottman, James, Wilkinson, McGovern, Leary, etc. The result in that sad environment was 5 sacks in 5 games. As it pertains to Bolles specifically...1 sack allowed, 3 hits allowed and 1 holding penalty.

So you can trot out all kinds of misguided and under-qualified assessments from radio and TV mouthpieces, but until we see something different, there is data and proof (albeit limited) available to give us all reason to be excited and have aspirations for continued improvement. Sorry, but I'm not going to assume the worst based simply on the "because I don't like him" theory.

Sorry, but I’m going with the opinion of two former professional OL over PFF.

Let’s not pretend that Bolles is holding so much because he’s lonely, he’s holding because he’s getting beat.

Bolles has always had the potential to be a Taylor Lewan type, he’s never come close, he’s still the same guy whether it’s Lock starting or Flacco.

Originally Posted by Jsteve01

One bag poi

You actually just made a poi pun, right? I'm not the only one to notice this?

“How We Grade”

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Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I don't think we've ever had this many dynamic weapons on our offense, even in Peyton's record setting years.

With Manning, above average players could become elite weapons. Man, that offense in 2013:
Welker inside
Orange Julius inside
Decker outside
DT outside
Knowshon, Montee Ball (before he fully drank himself out of the league), and Hillman.
And Trindon Holliday as the returner to set the team up with short field position.
Matt Prater to capitalize if the offense somehow stalled past midfield.

I'm not going to crown this rookie crew before they take the field.

I gotta say though, Hamlin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson and I've always been a huge fan of DJack's game. Supposedly, he models his game after DJack and Steve Smith, and if he is even half as good as either one it was a draft pick well spent.
Jeudy looked pissed to be drafted by us, and I mean that in a good way. He didn't expect to see Ruggs, who he completely outperformed at Alabama, be drafted before him. It's hard to really pinpoint any one NFL comparison (I've seen OBJ, AJ Green, Santonio Holmes, Reggie Wayne), but he was a great route runner at Alabama and showed skill at creating separation.

Just for argument though as far as being dynamic:
2013 (An All-Time Great Offense)>2015
Welker>Hamlin (Or Jeudy)
DT>Sutton
Decker>Jeudy (or Hamlin)
Orange Julius>Fant
Knowshon<Gordon
Hill<Lindsay
Ball>Royce
OLine=OLine (Manning in the shotgun propped up a mediocre line, so meh)
Manning>Lock

I'd love to be able to flip a lot of these at season's end though, but it'd be unrealistic to expect Lock to toss up 55 touchdowns this year.

I have always wanted Steve Smith on the Broncos, love his attitude.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

You actually just made a poi pun, right? I'm not the only one to notice this?

Bula'ia Waianae Store.....my boy Keoni used to play this all the time.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

With Manning, above average players could become elite weapons. Man, that offense in 2013:
Welker inside
Orange Julius inside
Decker outside
DT outside
Knowshon, Montee Ball (before he fully drank himself out of the league), and Hillman.
And Trindon Holliday as the returner to set the team up with short field position.
Matt Prater to capitalize if the offense somehow stalled past midfield.

I'm not going to crown this rookie crew before they take the field.

I gotta say though, Hamlin reminds me a lot of DeSean Jackson and I've always been a huge fan of DJack's game. Supposedly, he models his game after DJack and Steve Smith, and if he is even half as good as either one it was a draft pick well spent.
Jeudy looked pissed to be drafted by us, and I mean that in a good way. He didn't expect to see Ruggs, who he completely outperformed at Alabama, be drafted before him. It's hard to really pinpoint any one NFL comparison (I've seen OBJ, AJ Green, Santonio Holmes, Reggie Wayne), but he was a great route runner at Alabama and showed skill at creating separation.

Just for argument though as far as being dynamic:
2013 (An All-Time Great Offense)>2015
Welker>Hamlin (Or Jeudy)
DT>Sutton
Decker>Jeudy (or Hamlin)
Orange Julius>Fant
Knowshon<Gordon
Hill<Lindsay
Ball>Royce
OLine=OLine (Manning in the shotgun propped up a mediocre line, so meh)
Manning>Lock

I'd love to be able to flip a lot of these at season's end though, but it'd be unrealistic to expect Lock to toss up 55 touchdowns this year.

Yea, no way we can say how these guys are going to pan out. I think people are starting to put the cart before the horse here a bit.