Thread: Sam Bradford-The One, Must Get Player in the 2010 Draft

Hell no. We have FARRRRRRR more pressing needs than QB.

G, C, LB, DL.

Originally Posted by elsid13

I don't like Bradford at all as PRO QB. I know I will get hammered by OU fans but I think he benefits from playing at OU and in spread offense. He doesn't make pro throws for OU (the deep out or skinny post) and over the course of his career has NFL talent surrounding him. His arm is average for a pro prospetic, and he doen't have great mobility. His claim to fame is his accuracy and that is overrated due to the spread and playing behind a pretty solid line.

Without Locker or Mallett in this draft, I would wait til the third and pick up Canfield. IF you haven't seen Canfield play, he does tonight on ESPN in the Vegas Bowl. He is the Cassell mode with a little better arm and better understand of the game at this point.

sounds a lot like Orton...

Originally Posted by weazel

sounds a lot like Orton...

So you want to draft another Orton?

Originally Posted by West

Hell no. We have FARRRRRRR more pressing needs than QB.

G, C, LB, DL.

i think it's debatable. . . i don't necessarily disagree, but QB is the most important position in football, and if you don't have a really good one you don't want to pass on too many chances to get a guy you think can be-- and we traditionally don't pick all that high, either. . . you also don't want to burn a top ten pick reaching to fill a need. . . so where's the value going to be if we pick around the ten spot? i sure don't want a center or guard that high! i'd love to get iuapati, but not if we can't trade back. . . you know suh's gonna be gone, and i don't know that gerald mccoy really fits what we want to do. . . do you spend a top ten pick on dan williams or cody? or spikes?

Originally Posted by dogfish

i think it's debatable. . . i don't necessarily disagree, but QB is the most important position in football, and if you don't have a really good one you don't want to pass too many chances to get a guy you think can be-- and we traditionally don't pick all that high, either. . . you also don't want to burn a top ten pick reaching to fill a need. . . so where's the value going to be if we pick around the ten spot? i sure don't want a center or guard that high! i'd love to get iuapati, but not if we can't trade back. . . you know suh's gonna be gone, and i don't know that gerald mccoy really fits what we want to do. . . do you spend a top ten pick on dan williams or cody? or spikes?

Two words; Rolando McClain. Its either him in the first round or bust. I think Dan Williams would be a great pick in the 2nd for our NT problem. 10 is too high for Cody-- who is not a 3 down NT. If McClain is there when we pick, it's GOTTA be him. If not, trade back and get more picks and fill a need

Originally Posted by West

Two words; Rolando McClain. Its either him in the first round or bust. I think Dan Williams would be a great pick in the 2nd for our NT problem. 10 is too high for Cody-- who is not a 3 down NT. If McClain is there when we pick, it's GOTTA be him. If not, trade back and get more picks and fill a need

unfortunately, the FO doesn't have the luxury of saying "it's this guy or bust," and there's never any guarantee that you can trade back. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

unfortunately, the FO doesn't have the luxury of saying "it's this guy or bust," and there's never any guarantee that you can trade back. . .

I'm sure they'll have a plan in place... But from where we're going to be drafting from and the players projected in that spot... McClain is the only one that is a need and worthy enough for that high of a pick.

Originally Posted by topscribe

That's where we differ: I hope the Broncos can and do trade down.

They need linemen first. "The game is won in the trenches."

The Broncos already have one of the winningest QBs in football.

They need to protect him.

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I agree that the game is won in the trenches Top. I also believe that when a franchise QB comes along and you have a shot at getting him, you jump on it. Now whether or not Bradford truly is a franchise QB is disputable, but I believe he is. It is far easier to land a good offensive lineman in the later rounds of the draft and free agency than it is to find a franchise QB in those areas. Combine that with the fact that the Broncos will probably have a top 10 pick, which hopefully won't happen again for quite a while, and I think it's time to take a chance. We can beef up the O-line and D-line by going after guys like Wolfork, Mankins, Jahri Evans, and Richard Seymour in free agency. You just can't upgrade the QB position that easily, so if you have a shot at that next franchise guy, I think you take it and upgrade the lines later in the draft and in free agency.

That being said, I wouldn't be heartbroken if the Broncos felt like the QB of the future wasn't in this draft and traded down in the first to build up the talent in the trenches. That's what makes the draft so much fun. It could go either way, or the Broncos could decide that a guy like Rolando McClain could be a defensive cornerstone for the next decade and spend thier pick on him. Regardless, it's a crapshoot and a lot of fun to sit back and watch. One thing I do know though...this offseason will be interesting.

Originally Posted by weazel

sounds a lot like Orton...

Not even close. Bradford has a quicker release, stronger arm, more mobility, and better pocket presence.

Originally Posted by West

Two words; Rolando McClain. Its either him in the first round or bust. I think Dan Williams would be a great pick in the 2nd for our NT problem. 10 is too high for Cody-- who is not a 3 down NT. If McClain is there when we pick, it's GOTTA be him. If not, trade back and get more picks and fill a need

By the time the combine and private workouts are done, I think Dan Williams will go before Cody, and go somewhere around mid first round. Drafting McClain wouldn't break my heart either. I think he'll be a bigger faster version of Al Wilson.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

Not even close. Bradford has a quicker release, stronger arm, more mobility, and better pocket presence.

Bradford is a much more polished QB than any other QB in this draft. He runs the system at OU extremelly well. Very proficient, rarely makes a bad throw, extremelly accurate and has great awareness.
A much better pro prospect than Leinart. I dont know how leinart was ever thought to be a good pro. baffles me.
However, Bradfords issue now lie with his injury and if he can sustain hits at the pro level. That the "catch" with him. Brees did it. And hes 6' feet tall. I guess we'll see.
Again, i have a weird feeling that Bradford is gonna be a Bronco. I am not sayin i want this to happen neccessarily, i just think it will though.

Originally Posted by Ziggy

By the time the combine and private workouts are done, I think Dan Williams will go before Cody, and go somewhere around mid first round. Drafting McClain wouldn't break my heart either. I think he'll be a bigger faster version of Al Wilson.

Me too. Cody is a 2 down player from what i am hearing and his weight concerns and conditioning will be a red flag for some teams.
Dan Williams is the opposite from all accounts.

Originally Posted by dogfish

i think it's debatable. . . i don't necessarily disagree, but QB is the most important position in football, and if you don't have a really good one you don't want to pass on too many chances to get a guy you think can be-- and we traditionally don't pick all that high, either. . . you also don't want to burn a top ten pick reaching to fill a need. . . so where's the value going to be if we pick around the ten spot? i sure don't want a center or guard that high! i'd love to get iuapati, but not if we can't trade back. . . you know suh's gonna be gone, and i don't know that gerald mccoy really fits what we want to do. . . do you spend a top ten pick on dan williams or cody? or spikes?

Good points. THere are only so many POSITIONS worth top 10 money, not to mention players. You can't simply pick the player of most need with that pick, because a RT, or C, or Guard isn't worth that kind of case... EVER..not to mention a rookie.

If we want bradford we will have to trade up for him.


STL, CAR, SEA all draft ahead of us and all could/will get a QB as they need one big time. STL is the only one who might not, they need OL and D. Bulger is pretty good when he isnt killed.

Bradford will NOT fall to us. IF we want him we move up for him.


Cody will be an end 1st or 2nd rd pick. I bet early second, he has horrible conditioning and is a gilbert brown player.



We do need a C, and LG, but you dont waste a 1st on either. C in the 2nd or 3rd, but LG we can find one of those in the 6th or 7th easily. You dont draft a LG that high.




So it comes down to, do we wait and pick whoever is there (i guess CB) or do we trade up for bradford- likely costing our 2nd rdr too.
I say we go DE/CB in one and NT/DE/C in 2 and see what brandy has or look at QB next year.

Originally Posted by underrated29

If we want bradford we will have to trade up for him.


STL, CAR, SEA all draft ahead of us and all could/will get a QB as they need one big time. STL is the only one who might not, they need OL and D. Bulger is pretty good when he isnt killed.

st. louis needs one bad, but you're right that they have other needs that are just as pressing. . . if they get the number one pick, i would expect them to draft suh. . . seattle needs a left tackle even more than they need a QB-- hass can still play if they can protect him, and you don't want to throw a prized rookie QB out behind that feeble line. . . but, they were rumored to be very interested in sanchez last year-- they could go either way. . .

i don't think carolina will take a quarterback-- matt moore has shown some flashes, and i kinda think they'll want to see if he can be the guy before investing a top draft pick. . . they need help at DT bigtime, and i think they could very well take gerald mccoy, or maybe even brian price if he comes out. . . of course, teams do tend to overlook other needs if there's a QG there that they like because of the premium placed on the position, so we'll see. . .