Thread: Do we need another DE?

There are a number of kneejerk discussions after the performance the NY D-Line put on last night...this is one of em. Or it could actually it's kind of an anti-kneejerk. I dunno. It's obvious that a solid DLine is crucial to win in this league and many feel our DEs need to improve. But does that improvement necessarily mean a bunch of new bodies? The Giants were able to control the run w/ their physical LBs and stout middle...neither of which we currently possess. Their DEs also do a nice job vs the run, but it does also help to have the LBs that they do. Once the run is shut down, their stud DEs get unleashed on the QB. Many feel our current DEs are too small to be successful. I disagree. The following are the weights of the NYG DEs:

Osi-261
Strahan-255
Tuck-274
Kiwi-265

They have others who contribute, when all are healthy, these are the main 4. Now ours:

Elvis-260
Moss-265
Crowder-275
Engleberger-260

Seems pretty similar sizewise. Now look at the DTs:
NY
Alford-304
Cofield-306
Davis-306
Robbins-317

Denver
Harris-305
Peterson-292
McKinley-294
Thomas-315

And now LBs:
NY
Pierce-240
Mitchell-253
Torbor-250

Denver
Gold-223
Webster-232
Williams-242


I think any talk of our DEs still being a problem is off base. Sure, Moss needs to get healthy, but collectively the sizes match up w/ the NYGiants who just put on a clinic. We know Elvis can get to the QB, but Crowder and Moss need time to mature into their games. Who is to say they can't find smilar success? The issue, as it appears to me is that the NYG have placed girth around their DEs to protect them while we have not. We obviously have better CBs than NYG, but we need to help them and the DEs out. We need to get bigger and tougher at DT and LB.

Gold is the first thing that needs to go... he is just too small and no where near as fast as he once was.

Lynch is another liability because he just doesn't have the range he once had and he has never been great in coverage.

We must get bigger up front and we must add another linebacker.

Also, if Strahan is only 255 I would be really shocked. No way he is only 255.

That's his listed weight...I was taken aback and don't agree w/ it either, but he's not that much bigger than our guys regardless.

I don't think we need another DE. I think we are ok with Crowder and Doom. I am more worried about getting a big body or presence next to Doom so he doesn't have to worry about double teams or be chipped by the backers coming out of the backfield every time. If we had more talent in the middle it would open up the outside more which we are loaded at.. Champ, Bly, Doom, Crowder

It would also protect our linebacker core and we wouldn't have to bring a safety up into the box every play to protect the run.

I want a fat DT and 2 LBs who weigh more than 235. oh...and I want em to be good at football. That's all.

Gimme Jon Goff (240) for the middle and Beau Bell (245) for the outside. Both can be had in round 2 or later since all the junios have declared. I dunno what to do about DT, cuz Ellis isn't dropping.

I guess Sims, Harrison..or hope Balmer can add 15-20.

Denver needs a players on the defensive line that can 1) plug running lanes, and 2) pressure the QB with the down-four.

...and not everyone of them needs to be a pro-bowler every year.

Forget quick.

Forget agile.

Forget system.

...just four good, solid, physical players who can punch the other team in the face for a change and challenge the line of scrimmage.

Beau Bell is a bad football player... He showed everyone just how unalthletic he is at the Senior Bowl practices before he got hurt.

I want Phillip Wheeler... he is really, really good. It would be ideal if we could do Balmer in round 1 and Wheeler in round 2 or Connor and Wheeler in round 1 and 2.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Gimme Jon Goff (240) for the middle and Beau Bell (245) for the outside. Both can be had in round 2 or later since all the junios have declared. I dunno what to do about DT, cuz Ellis isn't dropping.

I guess Sims, Harrison..or hope Balmer can add 15-20.

Again, please see sig below...

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

That's his listed weight...I was taken aback and don't agree w/ it either, but he's not that much bigger than our guys regardless.

No way Strahan is 255... maybe 275.

More than anything last night the personal was used correctly.

To me, you need talent, but you also need to have a coach that uses the talent to the best of their abilities.

Spagnola (Giants DC) comes from Jim Johnson in Philly. This is the EXACT kind of coordinator I want on defense. Aggressive, creative, penetrate scheme, adjustments, etc.

I pray Slowik is cut from this mold.

Player's talents, players being used correctly, and play-calling is what make that defense work last night. Not their size and weight.

Originally Posted by BOSSHOGG30

Beau Bell is a bad football player... He showed everyone just how unalthletic he is at the Senior Bowl practices before he got hurt.

Then what do you think of Gooden (Miami FL) on the outside? He's just under 240, but as athletic as Shanny likes his LBs to be.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Then what do you think of Gooden (Miami FL) on the outside? He's just under 240, but as athletic as Shanny likes his LBs to be.

Gooden is really good.

IMO Gooden is a lesser version of DJ - great athlete, non-instinctive football player.

He does some really weird stuff on the field to take himself out of plays, but if he's in the right place he normally makes the play.

I don't want him, because we already have DJ who's better.

Gooden's a guy who needs a great combine to hold his spot. He got helped when Maualuga and Laurinaitis dropped out of the draft, but he's the sort of guy who should wow at the combine. Lots of physical skills but needs work on technique, reading plays, and reacting.

So if his physical skills aren't on full display at the combine, it could turn some teams against his upside. If he rips up the Combine, late 2nd/3rd rounder.

If he doesn't...well, it's hard to spend a really good pick on an athletic project who's gonna need some seasoning before he can reasonably start for you.

As for another DE...I'd rather see what Moss comes back like before we make that call.

~G