Thread: Do we need another DE?

Aside from NO or BUF, who ahead of us would give up their #1 to move down to 12 and needs a DB badly enough to do so?

Originally Posted by broncohead

Like G money said we should wait to see if Moss can recover from injury and come back and perform. I think that Moss does come back and does perform. I think that he'll be an every down DE. Crowder will start on the other side and he'll slide inside on passing downs letting Dume rush on the edge. I think that if we can land Ellis without trading into the top 5 then great but if we can't I would like to see us go after a big DT like Sims, Harrison, or Bryant to keep the OL off our LB.

I wonder what kind of stamina Bryant has. At TAM this year he played in smaller doses than, say, Okam. Its hard to compare apples to apples. Honestly, why not Laws out of Notre Dame? He probably had the second best week of the DTs at the senior bowl.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Aside from NO or BUF, who ahead of us would give up their #1 to move down to 12 and needs a DB badly enough to do so?

Well...pending on who Bmore and NE are eyeing, trading back may be the way to go. Foxxy is young and has potential. The Ravens CBs are aging and NEs CBs werer disappointing outside of Samuel who is likely gone. NE will need a LB...and 1 can be had at 12. Why not move back? Again, it depends on who they want to draft and where they think they can get them.

Originally Posted by lex

I wonder what kind of stamina Bryant has. At TAM this year he played in smaller doses than, say, Okam. Its hard to compare apples to apples. Honestly, why not Laws out of Notre Dame? He probably had the second best week of the DTs at the senior bowl.

Bryant was also moved around quite a bit. Sometimes playing NT, DT and DE. He sure had more plays off than Okam, but the Aggie defense was on the field alot more than UT's and the pathetic A&M LB's certainly benefitted from his presence

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

But consider that we also have Foxxy as trade bait. He could be included, maybe with a 4th or 5th, in a trade that gets us in the 7 or 8 range.

True. It would depend on the team Im sure.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Bryant was also moved around quite a bit. Sometimes playing NT, DT and DE. He sure had more plays off than Okam, but the Aggie defense was on the field alot more than UT's and the pathetic A&M LB's certainly benefitted from his presence

Im just saying that though he may have been impressive in drills at the senior bowl, stamina is a question. Its great that he did well at the senior bowl but what will happen if he is expected to perform at that level for sustained periods? Its a question with him. Id rather have Laws for a couple of reasons. 1) He can get skinny and slip through the line and 2) for him to accumulate the tackles he had at ND, he has to stay in games and be somewhat consistent. And aside from Ellis, he was the toughest DT to block at the SB.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Well...pending on who Bmore and NE are eyeing, trading back may be the way to go. Foxxy is young and has potential. The Ravens CBs are aging and NEs CBs werer disappointing outside of Samuel who is likely gone. NE will need a LB...and 1 can be had at 12. Why not move back? Again, it depends on who they want to draft and where they think they can get them.

With the million different ways we can go at 12, I'm leaning towards moving back a little and adding a 2nd rounder...if we can find such a deal. Then as our options dwindle a little, maybe it's easier to make a choice. I'd be happy moving back and getting Balmer while adding a #2.

Originally Posted by lex

Im just saying that though he may have been impressive in drills at the senior bowl, stamina is a question. Its great that he did well at the senior bowl but what will happen if he is expected to perform at that level for sustained periods? Its a question with him. Id rather have Laws for a couple of reasons. 1) He can get skinny and slip through the line and 2) for him to accumulate the tackles he had at ND, he has to stay in games and be somewhat consistent. And aside from Ellis, he was the toughest DT to block at the SB.

Well, it all comes down to the sytem Slowik runs. Will he have a tendency to have the DT's hold up the line for the LB's on his blitz packages or will he prefer penetrating DT's? Only he knows that answer. On the other hand...Thomas is not the guy you'd want for Bates system and Shanny still drafted him, so anything goes.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

Well...pending on who Bmore and NE are eyeing, trading back may be the way to go. Foxxy is young and has potential. The Ravens CBs are aging and NEs CBs werer disappointing outside of Samuel who is likely gone. NE will need a LB...and 1 can be had at 12. Why not move back? Again, it depends on who they want to draft and where they think they can get them.

Im in agreement on this. As far as Baltimore goes, it would depend on what they thought about the QBs at the top as well, and where they place Troy Smith in their roster for next year. As for NE, with Samuel all but gone unless he doesnt want to be rich beyond his position, then NE will look at a CB like Foxworth as valuable. Especially since he is willing to play anywhere, do anything. Not to mention the fact that Belichicks scheme is able to take a guy like Foxworth and put him on the next level. NE does not man up a whole lot, but plays flexing zones. Foxworth is smart, fast, hungry and coachable. He just cant beat out Bly or Champ.

If they got Foxy and Rivers by trading with Denver, I think they would like that.

Not only would that be enticing for NE, but looking at it from our perspective, it would be wise. That means they would be giving up a late second round pick for Foxworth, filling a hole they need filled, and getting out of a high selection they wont need.

Honestly, I think we should draft a RB in round 1.

Originally Posted by lex

Honestly, I think we should draft a RB in round 1.

My initial instinct is to go with the BPA. I think that unless someone slips, Mendenhall may be that guy

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

With the million different ways we can go at 12, I'm leaning towards moving back a little and adding a 2nd rounder...if we can find such a deal. Then as our options dwindle a little, maybe it's easier to make a choice. I'd be happy moving back and getting Balmer while adding a #2.

That would mean moving down to around 19. Good ole Philly. One of our trade partners from last year.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

My initial instinct is to go with the BPA. I think that unless someone slips, Mendenhall may be that guy

I wouldnt complain at all if we took Mendenhall. Id even be happy trading up for McFadden as long as we preserve picks this year. Both of those guys are physical AND capable of the big play.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Well, it all comes down to the sytem Slowik runs. Will he have a tendency to have the DT's hold up the line for the LB's on his blitz packages or will he prefer penetrating DT's? Only he knows that answer. On the other hand...Thomas is not the guy you'd want for Bates system and Shanny still drafted him, so anything goes.

Yep. Ellis fits Slowick scheme.........unless of course Shanny is telling him how to play things. Although Thomas is a penetrator also, he has such ability as to become more I think.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

That would mean moving down to around 19. Good ole Philly. One of our trade partners from last year.

But does Philly want the 12 spot bad enough to give up their #2? I don't see them needing anything that high that they couldn't get at 19