And now we have another Orton thread...Originally Posted by topscribe
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And now we have another Orton thread...
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I would have to saw old QB for Buffalo was a franchise QB with no SB ring, you might have heard of him, Jim Kelly
I dont not think you need a SB ring to be a Franchise QB look at Kelly, HOF QB
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He should know. Every organization has told him he's not one.
(the previous comment was not directed at any particular individual and was not intended to slander,disrespect or offend any reader of said statement)
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Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl.
Prof Von HammurSchlong
Next to one of the best defenses in NFL history. Shit, i could of gone out there and threw 5 yd passes with that defenses.
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Bottom line, Josh is right. There is no formula or recipe for a "franchise quarterback". If there was, I don't think it would resemble Jay Cutler, either.
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I have this strange feeling that after this year the Bears will consider Cutler as Franchise . . .
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They better hope, didn't they sink about a hundred mil into him?
Prof Von HammurSchlong
Uh, no. Josh is not correct. This is the list of SB winning Qb's and only the ones in red are not considered "franchise" QB's. Two of which saw a defensive player win MVP of said game.
Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
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People view me as an Orton fan, and I guess I am. But few realize, or remember,They better hope, didn't they sink about a hundred mil into him?
that I was once on Plummer's side during those famous wars over on Mania. And
I am still pissed over the way they handled Cutler and the fact he is wearing
orange and blue for a different team.
I said at the time that Cutler was a once-in-a-generation QB, and I still believe
that, from the perspective of his incredible skill level. Once he gets it all
together, he will be All-Pro, IMO, and it just may begin next year . . .
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Prof Von HammurSchlong
Give him another couple of years in that system he will do well.
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Half the guys in white became "franchise" quarterbacks by winning the SB though. Along with 50 odd other guys. Brady was an unknown third string backup before he won the SB. Namath finished his career with awful numbers and had more Ints than TD passes. Bradshaw was a borderline defective who had to fight for his job most years and completed about 40% of his passes. Plunkett had a mostly journeyman type career. Theismann played in the CFL a few years before any NFL team was even interested in him. Warner was playing Arena League or something a couple years before he won his first SB. Simms and Rypien were mostly hated by their own fans when they played. Favre was sitting on the bench for a coach who said it would take a plane crash to get him on the field a year or two before he won the SB. Most of them became "franchise" quarterbacks after winning the big game, not before.
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Nice post even though franchise QBs do not have to win a SB to be one, Jim Kelly and Dan Marino are couple of franchise QBs that never quite got the ring. But SB winning teams tend to have a big leader in their QB and Orton is not a leader, he may pull down some big numbers but he is NOT a leader by any means. What QB on that list is not a team leader and has leadership skills?
Prof Von HammurSchlong
Not true. The minute those QB's started winning for their franchise they became franchise QB's. It wasnt like Favre had one great year with GB and then had to fight for the job. He and many others had already won it because they had the "it" factor. Maybe to YOU personally they didnt become franchise QB's until after they won but for most of the NFL and the franchises themselves the QB's made the statement for the starting position LONG before they won their SB's.
Prof Von HammurSchlong
Exactly. And they dont even have Rodgers on there who was drafted to be the franchise QB.
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