Thread: If...?

Originally Posted by Dream

The fact is he was never considered a first round talent. Period.

Yes, Dream. You know it all. And I am a liar.

I don't remember where all I read and/or heard it now. But I do not appreciate your allusion.

Now, I'm through talking with you about it, too. I'm going to try to find a discussion at a higher level.

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Originally Posted by topscribe

Yes, Dream. You know it all. And I am a liar.

I don't remember where all I read and/or heard it now. But I do not appreciate your allusion.

Now, I'm through talking with you about it, too. I'm going to try to find a discussion at a higher level.

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This isn't the first time you've made a claim about a player that turned out to be erroneous. (Like Travis Henry having 4.3 speed, LOL!) I've followed the draft closely for years now, and not once was Selvin Young mentioned as a player who ever had first round potential. What you probably read was a typical fluff piece about a Denver player put out by the local media. That doesn't constitute as a valid source, because there is no way in Hell an UDFA ever carried a first-round grade.

Falls that epic just don't happen.

Oh, maybe you heard it from Sundquist. The same guy who said that Maurice's measurables made him more worthy of a selection than Marion Barber III at the #100 pick we had as a compensatory selection in the draft three years ago. (Depsite the fact that Maurice was out of football for two years, and didn't run faster than a 4.6 40-yard dash!) He tends to get confused.

And for the record: I never called you a liar, so you can put words in my mouth until the cows come home, but if you can't back up what you're saying - you might as well not say it. It doesn't even matter if it's you who is saying it.

Documentation matters, and if you can't find the documentation or proof - you know how the saying goes, "It probably never happened."

Kudos on the nice "underhand insult" there on finding conversation on a higher level. Steal of the "draft" right there!

Originally Posted by Dream

This isn't the first time you've made a claim about a player that turned out to be erroneous. (Like Travis Henry having 4.3 speed, LOL!) I've followed the draft closely for years now, and not once was Selvin Young mentioned as a player who ever had first round potential. What you probably read was a typical fluff piece about a Denver player put out by the local media. That doesn't constitute as a valid source, because there is no way in Hell an UDFA ever carried a first-round grade.

Falls that epic just don't happen.

Oh, maybe you heard it from Sundquist. The same guy who said that Maurice's measurables made him more worthy of a selection than Marion Barber III at the #100 pick we had as a compensatory selection in the draft three years ago. (Depsite the fact that Maurice was out of football for two years, and didn't run faster than a 4.6 40-yard dash!) He tends to get confused.

And for the record: I never called you a liar, so you can put words in my mouth until the cows come home, but if you can't back up what you're saying - you might as well not say it. It doesn't even matter if it's you who is saying it.

Documentation matters, and if you can't find the documentation or proof - you know how the saying goes, "It probably never happened."

You know, you are the last person who should be questioning my credibilty
on this board, after what you said about BroncosForums on Broncomania.
You remember?

Or perhaps we ought to recount it right here? Or maybe I'll just go and
bump that thread?

If you want to discuss issues, fine. But don't you question my credibility.

If I said I heard and/or read something, I did.

Now let's shut down this nonsense and get back on topic.

Like now . . .

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Originally Posted by tnedator

Lex, you have been warned and warned again. Attacking people, mods or otherwise, is not ok. Calling someone a Jackass, is not ok.

IF the mods and I decide not to suspend you over this, be CLEAR THIS will be your FINAL warning.

Suspend? Since when are mods allowed to rampantly start **** and indulge in personal attacks. The guy has been exposed. He doesnt even know what he's talking about and so he's challenging me on having broken legs.

The only way someone would give up that for Walker would be if he is healthy.
If Walker is healthy, he is an elite receiver, the complete package. Why then,
would the Broncos give up a proven elite player for one who might be . . . if
he doesn't bust?

In fact, why would they draft a RB at all in the first day, when they need
a DT/LB/safety so badly? I don't know . . . there might be a midget or two on
staff, but I don't think there are any mental midgets . . .

Originally Posted by topscribe

You know, you are the last person who should be questioning my credibilty
on this board, after what you said about BroncosForums on Broncomania.
You remember?

Or perhaps we ought to recount it right here? Or maybe I'll just go and
bump that thread?

If you want to discuss issues, fine. But don't you question my credibility.

If I said I heard and/or read something, I did.

Now let's shut down this nonsense and get back on topic.

Like now . . .

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Youre not even really refuting what he is saying as much as youre making an ad hominem attack stemming from something you were offended by, which has nothing to do with fact or credibility. He has exposed you so youre playing an ace in the hole that is an ad hominem attack.

Originally Posted by topscribe

You know, you are the last person who should be questioning my credibilty
on this board, after what you said about BroncosForums on Broncomania.
You remember?

Or perhaps we ought to recount it right here? Or maybe I'll just go and
bump that thread?

Well, it seems like in the long run - some of my thoughts seemed to have ran the course on how this board was ran because changes are in the makes. Then again, this has nothing to do with what I said on Broncomania.

Like Lex said, (and I don't even get along with Lex really) - ad hominem.

If you want to discuss issues, fine. But don't you question my credibility.

This is actually really funny because you're the one who is refusing to back up your claim and discuss the issues.

If I said I heard and/or read something, I did.

Uh. . . no. That's not how life works. If you cannot provide where you read, or where you heard that Selvin Young was a first round talent, then obviously it probably wasn't said.

Now let's shut down this nonsense and get back on topic.

Like now . . .

Then stop perpetuating the argument with typical ad hominem and provide where you found the information.

The fact is, not one team considered Selvin Young to be a first-round talent. Not one scout in the NFL, and probably not one draft guru in the whole world. If so, he wouldn't have went undrafted.

You seem to get a little uptight when people are interested in where you heard something. Sources are always good when making statements. You of all people should know that.

Originally Posted by lex

Suspend? Since when are mods allowed to rampantly start **** and indulge in personal attacks. The guy has been exposed. He doesnt even know what he's talking about and so he's challenging me on having broken legs.

I won't debate you on this in the open forum. If you feel someone attacked you report them, DO NOT call them a jackass. You have been formerly warned more than once.

Originally Posted by tnedator

I won't debate you on this in the open forum. If you feel someone attacked you report them, DO NOT call them a jackass. You have been formerly warned more than once.

OK, topscribe has been starting **** since Ive been here. The same way you ignore it now is why it hasnt been reported.

Originally Posted by lex

OK, topscribe has been starting **** since Ive been here. The same way you ignore it now is why it hasnt been reported.

Les, your making assumptions that nothing would happen if you reported a post is not an excuse for breaking the rules, now or the many times you have done it in the past.

Get back on topic, and drop this. NOW!

Originally Posted by tnedator

Les, your making assumptions that nothing would happen if you reported a post is not an excuse for breaking the rules, now or the many times you have done it in the past.

Get back on topic, and drop this. NOW!

Whats being done now? Ive even provided proof. See what I mean about ignoring it?

Thread has been thoroughly derailed. Must be closed.

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