Thread: If...?

If McFadden is still there at 6 and the Jets would be willing to trade the #6 for #12, Foxworth and Javon Walker (or a future 3rd or 2nd), would you do it and take McFadden considering it would leave all our current picks in tact?

Hell NO!

Nice thread title btw.

Originally Posted by tubby

Hell NO!

Nice thread title btw.

I think I would due to the fact that it would keep our picks in tact. If it was the 12, Walker, Foxworth combo it would allow us to get something out of guys we would eventually lose anyway. And it would give us a tough, explosive, durable game changing running back to take the heat of Cutler.

Yes, but I wouldn't draft McFadden with that 6th.

Plenty of backs available later in the draft.

WELL, id say yes and no.

No, because i want us to keep walker, but if shanny is for sure going to trade him then yes this wouldnt be to bad. but i also dont think mcfadden is that good running throught traffic and pushing the pile. But....

Yes because he is pretty sick. Plus, i have seen very little footage of him running, so if he can make his own holes (instead running through large ones already there) and we can still keep our 2nd and such that would be awesome. Imo i would prefer to have stewart as our back. I just think he fits the mold better. But if Dmac turns out to be a combo of LT and reggie Bush, and not just bush I am all for it!!!

McFadden is very impressive, but not the back for us.

~G

McFadden makes me swell up down below, but we have bigger fish to fry than our RB position. Phillips or Ellis in 08 please.

The only way someone would give up that for Walker would be if he is healthy.
If Walker is healthy, he is an elite receiver, the complete package. Why then,
would the Broncos give up a proven elite player for one who might be . . . if
he doesn't bust?

In fact, why would they draft a RB at all in the first day, when they need
a DT/LB/safety so badly? I don't know . . . there might be a midget or two on
staff, but I don't think there are any mental midgets . . .

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Originally Posted by topscribe

The only way someone would give up that for Walker would be if he is healthy.
If Walker is healthy, he is an elite receiver, the complete package. Why then,
would the Broncos give up a proven elite player for one who might be . . . if
he doesn't bust?

In fact, why would they draft a RB at all in the first day, when they need
a DT/LB/safety so badly? I don't know . . . there might be a midget or two on
staff, but I don't think there are any mental midgets . . .

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So, topscribe takes a shot by calling me a mental midget. Thats nice.

Originally Posted by underrated29

WELL, id say yes and no.

No, because i want us to keep walker, but if shanny is for sure going to trade him then yes this wouldnt be to bad. but i also dont think mcfadden is that good running throught traffic and pushing the pile. But....

Yes because he is pretty sick. Plus, i have seen very little footage of him running, so if he can make his own holes (instead running through large ones already there) and we can still keep our 2nd and such that would be awesome. Imo i would prefer to have stewart as our back. I just think he fits the mold better. But if Dmac turns out to be a combo of LT and reggie Bush, and not just bush I am all for it!!!

Originally Posted by G_Money

McFadden is very impressive, but not the back for us.

~G

Actually, Mendenhall would be a better fit than Stewart. Neither are as good as McFadden though regardless of system. One thing about McFadden that rarely gets mentioned is that he plays hurt. Hes had a few times where he's had excuses to miss games but hasnt. He's a fast healer. I just think McFaddens size/speed combo is too good not to do this deal if its there. Im a huge Florida fan so I watch a lot of SEC and McFadden has probably been the best SEC RB since Bo Jackson.

Originally Posted by lex

So, topscribe takes a shot by calling me a mental midget. Thats nice.

No I did not. I was referring absolutely, positively to staff.

I did not have you or anyone else in mind.

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Originally Posted by lex

If McFadden is still there at 6 and the Jets would be willing to trade the #6 for #12, Foxworth and Javon Walker (or a future 3rd or 2nd), would you do it and take McFadden considering it would leave all our current picks in tact?

When I first read this I thought it said, foxworth, Walker next years 2, and 3rd. I was going to say hell no! LOL

After seeing the "or" I think we should consider it. But why would we draft McFadden? I say we trade back out of the 6th, down do like the 9th or 10th, and pick up a 3rd. With the 9th or 10th pick we could almost certainly get Ellis or Phillips.

We would have got the guy we wanted, Picked up the 3rd we needed, for Foxworth and Walker.

Beings we now had a 3rd, we could draft the best RB on the board with our second pick. Then grab Wheeler with our 3rd, or if Wheeler was gone we could grab the best S on the board, (Assuming we got Ellis in the 1st)

Originally Posted by fcspikeit

When I first read this I thought it said, foxworth, Walker next years 2, and 3rd. I was going to say hell no! LOL

After seeing the "or" I think we should consider it. But why would we draft McFadden? I say we trade back out of the 6th, down do like the 9th or 10th, and pick up a 3rd. With the 9th or 10th pick we could almost certainly get Ellis or Phillips.

We would have got the guy we wanted, Picked up the 3rd we needed, for Foxworth and Walker.

Beings we now had a 3rd, we could draft the best RB on the board with our second pick. Then grab Wheeler with our 3rd, or if Wheeler was gone we could grab the best S on the board, (Assuming we got Ellis in the 1st)

Weve already invested a lot of draft picks in the defensive line in recent years, which means theyre still young. Id rather not extend the timeline for the learning curve and get a veteran into the mix. Same with safety. Id actually like to sign Gibril Wilson and Corey Williams and possibly a LB. For me, it should be all about helping Cutler by drafting a game changing RB and a Tackle such as Chris Williams (depending on whether they move Kuper to Tackle as was mentioned in Shanahans presser). Im also an advocate for drafting Jordy Nelson and Dexter Jackson/Paul Raymond. If Chris Williams isnt available in the 2nd, Id consider Erin Henderson or Beau Bell or Id trade our 2nd for a late 2nd and late 3rd and draft Oniel Cousins followed by Roy Schuening in the 3rd. Id be OK with Mendenhall and/or Charles but if you get a crack at a guy like McFadden, I say go for it.

The thing is that we have several injury liabilities on the offensive line. Ryan Harris has a back problems which often recur. Hamilton is already on his way down the slippery slope as far as concussions are concerned. Once you miss time as he has, its really easy for concussions to happen and with much greater frequency. And Tom Nalen is getting up there in years. So basically you have Myers, Holland and Kuper...and hopefully they stay healthy. Pears is a backup.

BTW, Wheeler is not a Mike and thats all he played this year. Are you comfortable drafting a guy for a position he hasnt played? Ive watched 3 or 4 GT games this year and he really struggled every time.

Here is something I put together that would apply to the scenario where theyd take the 12/Walker/Foxworth deal:
If they took the deal with Walker, Id take the 2nd next year and trade it for a 3rd this year to fortify the line some more the reason being that there are a lot of injury risks on the OLine as it is and doing this provides quality, depth, and competition.

1 Darren McFadden RB
2 Chris Williams LT
3 Roy Schuening OG
4 DeMario Pressley/Frank Okam DT
4 Jordy Nelson WR
5 Bryan Kehl/Jordan Dizon OLB
5 Dexter Jackson WR
7 Fernando Velasco C
7 Brian Witherspoon CB

And btw, if Williams were to be gone in the second, Id take Pat Sims, a DT in the 2nd and take Schmitt, a fullback, instead of the DT in the mid rounds.

Originally Posted by lex

If McFadden is still there at 6 and the Jets would be willing to trade the #6 for #12, Foxworth and Javon Walker (or a future 3rd or 2nd), would you do it and take McFadden considering it would leave all our current picks in tact?

Why would the Jets give up McFadden for Foxworth and Walker? Or a future 2nd or 3rd round pick?

If McFadden is there at #6, they're going to take him. They didn't exactly hit a home run with the trade for Thomas Jones.

I'm all for the Broncos moving up for the opportunity to choose among the best talent in the draft. I just don't see it happening though. There aren't very many times when a team outside of the top ten pulls off a trade that gets them into the top ten. The only reason the Patsies have a top ten is because they made a trade last year for a pick that, at the time, wasn't guaranteed to be a top ten pick. STUPID 49ERS!!!!!!!!!

You can be pretty sure that the Jets don't think they're just a couple of players away from being a good team. They can't afford to pass up the marquee talent for a back up cornerback and a moody receiver that might or might not be healthy by next season. Besides, I don't know so many Bronco fans are in a hurry to ship Walker out. If he is healthy by next season, he's the best receiver on our team and we need him more than the Jets do.