Thread: "NO RESPECT ,i tell ya' NO RESPECT"

i just thought i would share my theory on teams getting "dissed" by the "experts" and media in general.
it always seems like when the broncos are expected to be really good,they under achieve and when they are under dogs they play better.
ive always been a proponent of doing your talking on the field.
so i was thinking this could be a thread to post comments and articles by media types that say were gonna suck! kinda like bulliten board quotes that teams hang in the locker room to fire up the team.

that being said i stumbled across kirwins rankings on nfl.com and he has us 27th.....WHAT?
i know we were 8-8 and arent favored to win the superbowl by any stretch.but 27TH?
i mean he has the
rams 2-14 in 08'
browns 4-12
cincy 4-11-1
seattle 4-12
gb 6-10
jax 5-11
all ahead of us
sure we took a hit at qb (maybe,or orton might be better suited to our new scheme).but we likely upgraded our running game ,special teams and defense
and it took a monumental collapse for us not to win the division with arguably the worst defense in team history,so i just dont see how suddenly there are only 5 teams in the nfl expected to be worse than the broncos.
thoughts?

I think we are far better. And Im really hoping most of our problems wasnt athleticism. I really, really hope it was coaching.

And I really really hope McD is the QB whisperer he was hired to be.

Why put so much weight on what some schmuck thinks? Eff him. Broncos have always been underdogs. It's nothing new. There is too much different about this team to say whether it's going to be good or bad.

Originally Posted by GEM

Why put so much weight on what some schmuck thinks? Eff him. Broncos have always been underdogs. It's nothing new. There is too much different about this team to say whether it's going to be good or bad.

i agree its just that i actually think the team is better off hearing how they're gonna be no good. it fires them up,kinda like when everybody said we had "NO CHANCE" of winning sb32....the packers were the team to beat and would crush the puny afc sacrifice d'jour....HA !
it also works the other way like when last years broncos assumed they had the division got cocky and well....hehem
so i just want to see FIRE and attitude,a take no prisoners and we WILL win
mentality like we had when guys like elway,eddie mac ,T.D. and sharpe were on the field

pat kirwan=least credible nfl expert employed by a major media outlet.

*and I would have written the same thing had he rated the broncos at number 3 in his power poll.

I don't give a **** what polls and rankings say especially in May. Every team is 0-0. Every season there are a few teams that surprises. Last year nobody would've thought Miami would be a playoff team and Arizona a Super Bowl team.

Originally Posted by claymore

I think we are far better. And Im really hoping most of our problems wasnt athleticism. I really, really hope it was coaching.

And I really really hope McD is the QB whisperer he was hired to be.

I think he'll be fine. My only pessimistic thoughts are about the defense. I'm not worrying about respect from the media or lack thereof. I'm trying to convince myself that Nolan can coach these guys up better than the last two scrubs.

Originally Posted by Slick

I think he'll be fine. My only pessimistic thoughts are about the defense. I'm not worrying about respect from the media or lack thereof. I'm trying to convince myself that Nolan can coach these guys up better than the last two scrubs.

The first step to improvement is done. Slowik is goners. It's all up from here baby!!

Originally Posted by T.K.O. (team kyle orton)

i just thought i would share my theory on teams getting "dissed" by the "experts" and media in general.
it always seems like when the broncos are expected to be really good,they under achieve and when they are under dogs they play better.
ive always been a proponent of doing your talking on the field.
so i was thinking this could be a thread to post comments and articles by media types that say were gonna suck! kinda like bulliten board quotes that teams hang in the locker room to fire up the team.

that being said i stumbled across kirwins rankings on nfl.com and he has us 27th.....WHAT?
i know we were 8-8 and arent favored to win the superbowl by any stretch.but 27TH?
i mean he has the
rams 2-14 in 08'
browns 4-12
cincy 4-11-1
seattle 4-12
gb 6-10
jax 5-11
all ahead of us
sure we took a hit at qb (maybe,or orton might be better suited to our new scheme).but we likely upgraded our running game ,special teams and defense
and it took a monumental collapse for us not to win the division with arguably the worst defense in team history,so i just dont see how suddenly there are only 5 teams in the nfl expected to be worse than the broncos.
thoughts?

so what teams did he have below us?

d you have a link to share..

First off all, the Broncos lost a Hall of Fame Head Coach and it remains to be seen if Doogie will be anything more than a typical rookie at best or monumental mistake at worst.

Second, the Broncos took a huge step back at the most important position on the field, if Orton ever get's it done it will be because Doogie is the DemiGod that he and everybody else thinks he is.......and we've already covered that. Regardless of the BS that the Broncos and The Mile High Report want to sell you, the Broncos took one ginormous step back with the Cutler trade, Kyle Orton is not better suited for anything but a shave.

Third, obviously Nolan is a huge upgrade over Slowik, but that's saying next to nothing, Slowik was thoroughly pathetic in every conceivable way and the worst thing to ever happen to this team from a competitive standpoint, Nolan would have to be catatonic or Brain-dead 16 weeks out of the season to not improve over Slowik.......having said that, Nolan's defenses in SF were far from great most of the time and pretty much sucked at other times! And so far, his personnel decisions, to the extent he's been involved in acquiring talent, have been thoroughly underwhelming.

Fourth, 64% of Denver's starting offense has less than 4 years of NFL experience, this showed noticeably last season when 3/4's of the starting offense had less than 3 years of NFL experience, and with the installation of the most complex offensive scheme known to man, that inexperience doesn't help much.

Fifth, let's be honest, the talent level on defense is still as bad as any team in the NFL and the ST's again figures to feature a lot of young/inexperienced players and will be coached by a guy who has a whopping 3 seasons as a ST's coordinator.

Add to that a brutal schedule and a possible suspension of Denver's most explosive offensive weapon and you can see why Denver isn't getting a lot of respect.......to be honest, the only ones buying what the Broncos are shoveling is you, the Denver Broncos fan, just like you always do (No offense).

Doogie may turn out to the be the Second Coming of Bill Belicheat, but so far, he has given objective NFL observers zero reason to take that leap of faith.......

Ranked 27th is no surprise to me. No Franchise QB, no real upgrades in the defense(you can't have a good 3-4 defense without a dominant NT), a brash 32 yr old coach with absolutely zero HC experience, the Broncos will suck. We'll be lucky to win 4 games in 2009.

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Alright Debbie Downers.....why even turn on the games this season, they've already gone 5-11 in your books.

Originally Posted by T.K.O. (team kyle orton)

i just thought i would share my theory on teams getting "dissed" by the "experts" and media in general.
it always seems like when the broncos are expected to be really good,they under achieve and when they are under dogs they play better.
ive always been a proponent of doing your talking on the field.
so i was thinking this could be a thread to post comments and articles by media types that say were gonna suck! kinda like bulliten board quotes that teams hang in the locker room to fire up the team.

that being said i stumbled across kirwins rankings on nfl.com and he has us 27th.....WHAT?
i know we were 8-8 and arent favored to win the superbowl by any stretch.but 27TH?
i mean he has the
rams 2-14 in 08'
browns 4-12
cincy 4-11-1
seattle 4-12
gb 6-10
jax 5-11
all ahead of us
sure we took a hit at qb (maybe,or orton might be better suited to our new scheme).but we likely upgraded our running game ,special teams and defense
and it took a monumental collapse for us not to win the division with arguably the worst defense in team history,so i just dont see how suddenly there are only 5 teams in the nfl expected to be worse than the broncos.
thoughts?

We deserve no respect. Our defense sucked last year. We didn't do enough for it to not suck this year. Regardless if you like McDaniels, he is still a ROOKIE. In that respect, we will suck. We traded in a Lamborghini for a Dodge at QB. That will make us suck.
SO why the surprise that we are picked by the experts to suck this year? Those guys are T.R.O. (Team Realistic Observations), not instafans of the new regime in Denver.

Originally Posted by Link

First off all, the Broncos lost a Hall of Fame Head Coach and it remains to be seen if Doogie will be anything more than a typical rookie at best or monumental mistake at worst.

Shan was a brilliant offensive mind when he took over the reigns, but his personnel decisions the last 4 years were disastrous. He thought he could just plug any ole low round RB into his system and get a dominate running game. That didn't last very long and he continued to reach on his defensive draft picks.

Originally Posted by Link

Second, the Broncos took a huge step back at the most important position on the field, if Orton ever get's it done it will be because Doogie is the DemiGod that he and everybody else thinks he is.......and we've already covered that. Regardless of the BS that the Broncos and The Mile High Report want to sell you, the Broncos took one ginormous step back with the Cutler trade, Kyle Orton is not better suited for anything but a shave.

Orton is a 4 year vet who has started for the Bears for 2 of those years. He is only 26 years old and has been a proven winner. Jay was suppose to be the face of the Franchise but his Agent decided that the Broncos were not going to pony up the ridiculous amount that he was going to ask for after next year. Lets see how Orton does as a Broncos before you bash him.

Originally Posted by Link

Third, obviously Nolan is a huge upgrade over Slowik, but that's saying next to nothing, Slowik was thoroughly pathetic in every conceivable way and the worst thing to ever happen to this team from a competitive standpoint, Nolan would have to be catatonic or Brain-dead 16 weeks out of the season to not improve over Slowik.......having said that, Nolan's defenses in SF were far from great most of the time and pretty much sucked at other times! And so far, his personnel decisions, to the extent he's been involved in acquiring talent, have been thoroughly underwhelming.

Agreed that Nolan is a huge upgrade over the often over-matched Slowik. It may get ugly for the D as we transition to the 3-4 but at least we got rid of Webster, Bly, McCree and the rest of the CFL'ers that Shan signed. The acquiring of talent has been hamstrung by the lack of talent available for the Broncos' positions of need. There were a huge lack of NT available in the draft (there were even some questions as to whether Raji could be a two gap NT). We got help in the secondary where we needed a infusion of talent.

Originally Posted by Link

Fourth, 64% of Denver's starting offense has less than 4 years of NFL experience, this showed noticeably last season when 3/4's of the starting offense had less than 3 years of NFL experience, and with the installation of the most complex offensive scheme known to man, that inexperience doesn't help much.

And this lack of NFL experience on Offense averaged the second most yards per game last year. The problem was with scoring in the red zone. I trust that McD will have a game plan for scoring in the red zone (that's where Moreno fits in, along with Quinn)

Originally Posted by Link

Fifth, let's be honest, the talent level on defense is still as bad as any team in the NFL and the ST's again figures to feature a lot of young/inexperienced players and will be coached by a guy who has a whopping 3 seasons as a ST's coordinator.

The Broncos have upgraded their secondary. Drafted a DE/LB in Ayers (whom some draft experts touted as the best defensive player in the draft) and drafted a couple of playmakers on D. Most of the guys brought in this off-season have ST's experience and most have excelled at it. I hope it all gels together, we shall see.

Originally Posted by Link

Add to that a brutal schedule and a possible suspension of Denver's most explosive offensive weapon and you can see why Denver isn't getting a lot of respect.......to be honest, the only ones buying what the Broncos are shoveling is you, the Denver Broncos fan, just like you always do (No offense).

Doogie may turn out to the be the Second Coming of Bill Belicheat, but so far, he has given objective NFL observers zero reason to take that leap of faith.......

The schedule is tough, but not one we can't overcome. We have to worry about our own division. I don't find the Chefs or Faiders as threats. SD is the team to beat, I hope LT is still the shell of himself that he displayed last year. It doesn't look like Marshall will be suspended for any long length/or at all. Of course we are not buying all that is being brought forward to us by the Broncos, but we are fans of one of the most respected Franchises around.
McD hasn't coached a game yet, but he seems to have a plan and is sticking with it. Only time will tell if it was a smart hire, but I will cut him some slack until he actually coaches a season.

Originally Posted by D1g1tal j1m

Shan was a brilliant offensive mind when he took over the reigns, but his personnel decisions the last 4 years were disastrous. He thought he could just plug any ole low round RB into his system and get a dominate running game. That didn't last very long and he continued to reach on his defensive draft picks.


Orton is a 4 year vet who has started for the Bears for 2 of those years. He is only 26 years old and has been a proven winner. Jay was suppose to be the face of the Franchise but his Agent decided that the Broncos were not going to pony up the ridiculous amount that he was going to ask for after next year. Lets see how Orton does as a Broncos before you bash him.


Agreed that Nolan is a huge upgrade over the often over-matched Slowik. It may get ugly for the D as we transition to the 3-4 but at least we got rid of Webster, Bly, McCree and the rest of the CFL'ers that Shan signed. The acquiring of talent has been hamstrung by the lack of talent available for the Broncos' positions of need. There were a huge lack of NT available in the draft (there were even some questions as to whether Raji could be a two gap NT). We got help in the secondary where we needed a infusion of talent.


And this lack of NFL experience on Offense averaged the second most yards per game last year. The problem was with scoring in the red zone. I trust that McD will have a game plan for scoring in the red zone (that's where Moreno fits in, along with Quinn)


The Broncos have upgraded their secondary. Drafted a DE/LB in Ayers (whom some draft experts touted as the best defensive player in the draft) and drafted a couple of playmakers on D. Most of the guys brought in this off-season have ST's experience and most have excelled at it. I hope it all gels together, we shall see.


The schedule is tough, but not one we can't overcome. We have to worry about our own division. I don't find the Chefs or Faiders as threats. SD is the team to beat, I hope LT is still the shell of himself that he displayed last year. It doesn't look like Marshall will be suspended for any long length/or at all. Of course we are not buying all that is being brought forward to us by the Broncos, but we are fans of one of the most respected Franchises around.

McD hasn't coached a game yet, but he seems to have a plan and is sticking with it. Only time will tell if it was a smart hire, but I will cut him some slack until he actually coaches a season.

Awesome post and a Hi-five alone doesn't do it justice.

I think with Nolan if he can bring back the fundamentals to the Defense, basic tackling was a problem the last few years and that can be fixed. If the DLine can't generate pressure by itself you gotta blitz to compensate. All the smoke and mirrors the last two years and feigned coverages were infuriating to watch. Broncos DBs playing 10 yards from the WR? Nauseating.

I won't throw McD under the bus until I see Denver in-game. Basic sound football. That's what I am hoping for. Anything more is a gift.