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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation inc View Post
    LANCANE welcome- love the players but here are the issues i have with the picks....


    norwood is a great player and his versatility would be a good fit inside and out, however we drafted ayers frist rd, signed haggan to a 2 year extension, and will most certainly sign doom to a extension we would be dumb not to. thats 3 players with significgant money tied up....a first rd pick on OLB sounds very unlikely, reid also is contributing and i consider DE/OLB a project need at this point, now if doom walks in FA i can easily see another high pick, but again even the first rd depends on how ayers finishes

    Arthur jones has a had a dominating year last year, but this year he is MIA, and his technique has regressed, he is virtually non existent and is now probally near the bottom fifteen of the top 3-4 DE prospects, a good late run and combine can chnage that, the value is correct for second rd i think but later in the rd.....however with almost ten -12 guys ahead of him at this point i feel we can instantly improve our DL in rd 1. personal opionon perhaps...

    Marshawn gilyard is a beast no doubt about it and his qb is a legit 1-2 rd pick next year, that being said royal, mckinely, gaffney, stokley are all smaller Wr's as well, it seems to me that the marshall situation is a volatile one still and the need for a field stretcher with size and power or a redzone threat is more important that anotehr smaller reciever. i like rds 3-6 for a WR but i will be keying in on a bigger guy.....perhaps even 2 WR's will be drafted.....


    with regards to estes, he is a solid player and the value is good but he doesnt fit our run game at all. weigman and hamilton are probally not gonna be here, so C/G is a need but estes is more of a finesse center than a power guy like MCD will most ceratinly look for, while he transitions his man blocking scheme to the forefront with ZBS mixed in.

    with regards to Your QB....i dont think you can go rd with picking a guy late like that for projects and he def has potential. however brandy showed some good stuff and MCD right now loves simms and orton, its clear he is infatuated with them.....so i can see us drafting a guy for competition, but i wonder if we actually will.




    i belive our top needs next year in order will be

    1. C
    2. DE
    3. G
    4. CB
    5. WR/return specialist
    6. ILB


    now FA can obviously change our needs draft day....but my guess is positions like ILB/OLB/T/QB/TE/RB wont even really be options the first 3 rds....unless they just have to have a certain player which is possible..


    anyway good stuff, it will be fun mixing it up here
    Elevation, actually I am thinking ahead, did you count in the after effects of this season?

    Haggan, Dumervile and Davis have done quite well; Williams and Ayers have been quite quiet as has Moss...let's not forget that McDaniels has been a coach under Saban and Belichick and both are known for stockpiling linebackers, and I don't see the apple falling that far from the tree. Plus D.J. Williams contract expires after this season, Norwood could move inside, but I think it is far more likely that Haggan does, he has played at the Mike Linebacker spot, so moving inside? Williams I do not believe will be re-signed, he never really lived up to his potential! And with Dumervile also being a free agent?...

    Fact is that fans look at one piece of the puzzle, not all...Dumervile, Williams, Kuper, Weigman, Scheffler, Hamilton, Marshall and Orton are all free agents after the season. I am reading in between the lines; priority will be to sign Dumervile, of that I am pretty positive and he will be worth a larger contract. Now for some of this I may be behind the times, as far as re-signed or extensions and am getting my info from KFFL at this time. If Marshall's numbers do not go up, they will not use the franchise tag on him - that much money and if they can not trade him?, and I will bet my life that he will look to Chicago for a big contract; think about that.

    Offensive line is worrisome, so let's factor in that Kuper is re-signed, Hamilton will likely be re-signed but to man the center position for the remainder of his career, he knows the scheme and system...stupid to go out of house. The team is pretty big on Seth Olsen, who is likely to take over Hamilton's position at left guard, where he is second already on the depth chart...smarter to eliminate overespendeture where possible and that means that likely Denver will draft someone in the mid-rounds for the line; guard or center, more likely a dual lineman!

    IMHO, I see Williams and possibly Scheffler leaving, neither is really earning the amount that their experience or playing time would really demand. Dumervile is key to it all, because if they can not get a deal done...I see him getting the franchise tag. Marshall even if he turns the season around will not garner the price tag for a franchised player; thus us taking Gilyard who fits the system all too well. Orton is a restricted free agent as is Prater, but I do not see a possibility for people to be knocking the door down for either...will McDaniels want to start Orton again, because he really is not worth the money for a starting quarterback in this league.

    Factor in the possibilities of all of this and you can see where I was going with the mock; we have too few picks, too many important re-signings to get done and other factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancane View Post
    Elevation, actually I am thinking ahead, did you count in the after effects of this season?

    Haggan, Dumervile and Davis have done quite well; Williams and Ayers have been quite quiet as has Moss...let's not forget that McDaniels has been a coach under Saban and Belichick and both are known for stockpiling linebackers, and I don't see the apple falling that far from the tree. Plus D.J. Williams contract expires after this season, Norwood could move inside, but I think it is far more likely that Haggan does, he has played at the Mike Linebacker spot, so moving inside? Williams I do not believe will be re-signed, he never really lived up to his potential! And with Dumervile also being a free agent?...

    Fact is that fans look at one piece of the puzzle, not all...Dumervile, Williams, Kuper, Weigman, Scheffler, Hamilton, Marshall and Orton are all free agents after the season. I am reading in between the lines; priority will be to sign Dumervile, of that I am pretty positive and he will be worth a larger contract. Now for some of this I may be behind the times, as far as re-signed or extensions and am getting my info from KFFL at this time. If Marshall's numbers do not go up, they will not use the franchise tag on him - that much money and if they can not trade him?, and I will bet my life that he will look to Chicago for a big contract; think about that.

    Offensive line is worrisome, so let's factor in that Kuper is re-signed, Hamilton will likely be re-signed but to man the center position for the remainder of his career, he knows the scheme and system...stupid to go out of house. The team is pretty big on Seth Olsen, who is likely to take over Hamilton's position at left guard, where he is second already on the depth chart...smarter to eliminate overespendeture where possible and that means that likely Denver will draft someone in the mid-rounds for the line; guard or center, more likely a dual lineman!

    IMHO, I see Williams and possibly Scheffler leaving, neither is really earning the amount that their experience or playing time would really demand. Dumervile is key to it all, because if they can not get a deal done...I see him getting the franchise tag. Marshall even if he turns the season around will not garner the price tag for a franchised player; thus us taking Gilyard who fits the system all too well. Orton is a restricted free agent as is Prater, but I do not see a possibility for people to be knocking the door down for either...will McDaniels want to start Orton again, because he really is not worth the money for a starting quarterback in this league.

    Factor in the possibilities of all of this and you can see where I was going with the mock; we have too few picks, too many important re-signings to get done and other factors.


    good points but i did look at the big picture and even mentioned if we didnt sign doom that a first rd OLB was likely, but ayers is a rookie and they usually take 2 years to hit stride, dont know why but peopel must be forgeting DJ williams signed a 5 year extension before FA..his FA starts in 2014 he will be here and while quiet has tsill been effective inside. Davis has at least 2 years left.

    haggan and reid are both solid back-up guys. and haggan wont be moved inside MCD himself said haggan has found his niche...outside and i fully expect us to re-sign doom over someone like hamilton, sheff or even kuper.....ayers being a rookie is liked by the coaches as well. Larsen also will be with the team again.

    they also really liked nick greisen before he went on IR and braxton kelly on the PS is anotehr guy that can do good things at LB. the only way i see a first rd OLB as a need or the pick, is if there isnt anotehr worthwhile player at our pick or doom leaves, outside of that we are pretty stocked with guys that have talent and are grooming into the position quite well.....

    Williams/Davis/Larsen/Woodyard inside
    Haggan/Reid/Ayers at OLB for sure

    ??? doom and moss if doom leaves a high draft pick on OLB makes sense, but my guess is we let hamilton, or sheff walk and use that money on doom....moss is gone and a waste, so a late 4-6 th rd pick makes sense to replace him...


    also i did consider marshall being gone.....but i certainly dont want to replace him with a 180 lb WR in the 3rd rd when we have 4 recievrs built like that already...i would like some verstaility with a big guy that can fight for yards, stretch the field and be a tall redzone target, that was my angle



    as for the OL, hamilton is done, he is to small for the man blocking stuff mcd wants to implement, weigman is as well, and i would imagine he gets to stay as the back-up next year, but hamilton will be replaced by eitehr hochstein or olsen, and kuper may even be allowed to walk if they feel hochstein and olsen fit better, you must also remeber that hochstein and olsen are MCD guys not kuper hamilto or weigman so that right there is interesting

    anotehr big picture people dont realize is mike shannahan, if he needs a OL coach i have no doubt he will try and pry dennison away and at that point i think we switch to a full man blocking scheme(something hamilton and weigman dont do well) with elemnts of the zbs, but MCDs mo for the OL is big nasty and powerful

    hamilton, weigman and at times kuper dont fit that mold.....


    like i said i see C,DE,G,CB as our top 4 needs next year






    this link should help with FA's bro

    http://www.walterfootball.com/freeag...ntractsden.php



    also im quite sure they will try and have graham, champ, and possibly a DL or 2 restructure there contracts for more money.....heck trading champ might even happen as well as marshall.....

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    I love Gilyard, but agree that we need a bigger WR to complement the others once BMarsh moves on. I love Norwood, but only as an INSIDE LB. I think he can be that in a 3-4...and I don't think he's a first round pick.

    Obvisously, I went w/ Spikes and then LaFell. If that changed to Arallious Benn and then Norwood in round 2, I'd be perfectly fine with that.

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    To me CB isn't that big of a need unless someone is released or traded. An ILB behind Davis to groom would be smart imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncohead View Post
    To me CB isn't that big of a need unless someone is released or traded. An ILB behind Davis to groom would be smart imo
    its quite...in fact highly possible champ bailey wont be a bronco next year, if we keep pace and make the playoffs he may be willing to restructure his contract, if not he will be gone, MCD stated himself he refuses to have to much of the pie dedicated to a single player and chmaps tag is huge right now.....love the guy to death but if he doesnt restructure, which i am not sure he will, he wont be a bronco any longer if MCD can help it....

    that makes CB a top need......

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    So who won the Champ for Portis deal then?

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    I think McD got his top priority CB this year when he moved up in the draft and got Alphonso Smith. Throw in the 5 year deal they just signed Goodman too and you have your future CB tandom should Champ leave, hopefully. Besides, is our secondary playing bad enough to warrant picking another CB in the 1st round?

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    I think Safety is a bigger need than CB at this point.

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    I don't really see safety as a need at all given McBath and Bruton being drafted last year. Dawkins and Hill are a quality starting tandem too. Barrett is still back there for insurance as well, IIRC. I think we're really fine there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elevation inc View Post
    its quite...in fact highly possible champ bailey wont be a bronco next year, if we keep pace and make the playoffs he may be willing to restructure his contract, if not he will be gone, MCD stated himself he refuses to have to much of the pie dedicated to a single player and chmaps tag is huge right now.....love the guy to death but if he doesnt restructure, which i am not sure he will, he wont be a bronco any longer if MCD can help it....

    that makes CB a top need......
    CB will be a top need IF Champ leaves. I don't think he will be gone next season tbh. McD would have shipped him off when he got rid of Bly and others. That statement is like saying if Orton leaves to FA then QB will be top priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncohead View Post
    CB will be a top need IF Champ leaves. I don't think he will be gone next season tbh. McD would have shipped him off when he got rid of Bly and others. That statement is like saying if Orton leaves to FA then QB will be top priority.
    lol...i dont think you all have grasped the patriots mentality quite well......


    champ has 2 chocies in of the year restructure and be a bronco, or he isnt a bronco....i dont think champ will restructure so im calli9ng cb a need, becasue im predicting what will happen, just becasue he hasnt left yet doesnt mean it isnt a need either or wont be....im just looking ahead and follwing the patriots blueprint for personnel, also basing predicition on stuff straight from MCD's mouth. champ has the highet salary on the roster.

    and anotehr reason i have cb is a need is becasue we can hopefully get a electric returner out of it as well, something that is a need within the first 3 rds.....

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    Updates coming soon.

    Moving up: Dan Williams

    Moving down/off: Brandon LaFell

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27 View Post
    So who won the Champ for Portis deal then?
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    This update is purely based on BMarsh's new found sense of self (we'll see how long it lasts) and the idealogy that he may just stay around. If he does, I see no opening ANYWHERE at WR. W/ BM, Royal, Gaffney, Stokley and others, I just don't see it as a need. Now things can change, but this is based on BMarsh being a Bronco in 2010.

    Here goes...


    ROUND 1
    ROLANDO McCLAIN, ILB, Alabama
    6'4" 258


    No lost sleep if we end up w/ Brandon Spikes, but I think solidifying the ILB spot for the future is key. McClain is faster than Spikes and is just a bit more athletic. Both have performed for big time programs and vs big time opponents.




    ROUND 2
    JARED, ODRICK, DL, Penn State
    6'5" 296


    Odrick appears to be a great fit as a 3-4 DE. He has played DE and DT at Penn State and has the size and athleticism to handle 3-4 end in the NFL. Very productive, hard nosed player.




    ROUND 3
    DAN WILLIAMS, DT, Tennessee
    6'3" 327


    I truly believe he skyrockets up the draft boards by the time April hits. In a 3-4. I think he could play either the NT or DE spots. Although our ends have held up thus far, we still could use an infusion of talent. WIlliams is a beast of a man and has a great frame for his size.




    ROUND 4
    MONTARIO HARDESTY, RB, Tennessee
    6'1" 215


    The front 7 has been addressed. Now it's time to add some more talent to the offense. Hardesty is the next in a long lineage of Tennessee RBs. His injury history will drop him in the draft, but when healthy, Hardesty is a beast. He just looks the part. A smart, tough runner who has enough of a burst to make some big plays. He catches the ball well too. If you've seen any UT games at all this year, you can't help but to be impressed w/ him. I know we have RBs, but ya can't ever have too many. LaMont Jordan is getting older and Hillis is in McD's doghouse. Feel free to call me a UT homer, but both Vols I picked can play ball.




    I believe we traded our #5


    ROUND 6
    JOE HAWLEY, C, UNLV
    6'3" 310


    Center will be a need. Weigmann is on his last contract before retirement and we'll need to get the next one ready. Hawley is a solid prospect at this point in the draft.




    ROUND 7
    BRANDON BANKS, WR/KR, KANSAS STATE
    5'7" 150


    The only reason the Bolts are evena little bit of a threat right now is because of their sparkplug Sproles. Denver is lacking that exciting "little man" playmaker that drives defense crazy. Banks could be that guy...and hails from Sproles' alma mater.

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    Williams and Hardesty both looked amazing again last night.

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