Thread: 2024 Other Gameday Discussion

Originally Posted by chazoe60

My point is that this bastardized "punish defenses at all costs so we generate offense" version of the modern NFL is hot garbage.

Hear hear!!

The obvious NBA style star treatment that has crept into the game at a steady drip has also ruined the game IMHO.

Yeah, it's swung too far into entertainment, and not BALL.

Every pass play is just a game of is there a flag or not. Defensive players are punished for things RBs do on every play. I am also getting beyond tired of the stupid shills on every broadcast telling us obvious horseshit calls are actually the right call. It's just a bad product in my opinion.

And nobodies bed is wetter than yours, Jaded.

Well dude, you got some points. I'm wondering about the data on it is my main point, but I bet it supports what you are saying. And you don't need data for the Brady/Mahomes effect that you describe. They get the calls. I think. Actually, do they, or is it confirmation bias on our part?

Yeah, I bet these owners would love nothing more than getting all the Swifties and Brazilians and rugby fans in Australia to give them their Sundays. But the farther we get from the Ronnie Lott "no finger, no problem" ethos, the less it has the soul and meaning we crave from watching the sport. It's still crazy violent--maybe even more because 300 pounds and 4.6 40 is more the norm than before--oh, and apparently tackling technology has become more violent, too--and seriously, head trauma, now that we know what's what, ain't no joke--so...All I know for sure is that it's getting kinda slow and choppy, like two minutes of bureaucracy and five seconds of drama, and when Bo Nix is just dinking and dunking I'm seriously just not that invested because the payoff isn't there. Glad to see the learning curve is kicking in!

I do like watching the 49ers tho, they are playing good ball.

Did Kinger just hijack my account?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Hear hear!!



Yeah, it's swung too far into entertainment, and not BALL.



Well dude, you got some points. I'm wondering about the data on it is my main point, but I bet it supports what you are saying. And you don't need data for the Brady/Mahomes effect that you describe. They get the calls. I think. Actually, do they, or is it confirmation bias on our part?

Yeah, I bet these owners would love nothing more than getting all the Swifties and Brazilians and rugby fans in Australia to give them their Sundays. But the farther we get from the Ronnie Lott "no finger, no problem" ethos, the less it has the soul and meaning we crave from watching the sport. It's still crazy violent--maybe even more because 300 pounds and 4.6 40 is more the norm than before--oh, and apparently tackling technology has become more violent, too--and seriously, head trauma, now that we know what's what, ain't no joke--so...All I know for sure is that it's getting kinda slow and choppy, like two minutes of bureaucracy and five seconds of drama, and when Bo Nix is just dinking and dunking I'm seriously just not that invested because the payoff isn't there. Glad to see the learning curve is kicking in!

I do like watching the 49ers tho, they are playing good ball.

Did Kinger just hijack my account?

I totally get the safety thing, what irks me is that the NFL thinks we're stupid enough to believe it's all about safety yet, the offense is almost never punished for safety rules violations. I can count the number of head to head type calls going against the offense on my hands while the defense is punished every game it seems. They are attempting to improve safety but they damn sure won't do that at the expense of the offense or points scored.

I despise being lied to and every time that lying **** stain Gene Steratorre gets on and lies to my face about the NFL making the right call my desire to watch the shit dwindles. It's barely a flicker right now, even seeing the halftime score of the Broncos the other day did nothing for me.

I will always love the Broncos, I just don't actually enjoy watching anymore. I just always feel like I have so many better things I should be doing with my, if Im lucky one day off. Maybe when I retire(soon I hope hence the short ass weekends ) I'll get bored and figure there ain't much else to do on a Sunday and trying to talk the wife out of dragging me to church gets harder and harder without watching football I'll watch again but as of right now I have zero desire to consume their garbage product any longer.

The game favors offense. But back in the day when bad defenders just grabbed WRs and we acted like that was impressive, was that better, or just what we were used to?

Originally Posted by Skinny

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Originally Posted by King87

The game favors offense. But back in the day when bad defenders just grabbed WRs and we acted like that was impressive, was that better, or just what we were used to?

It seems we had a good middle ground in the late 90's into the 2010's ish. The part that bothers me is blowing smoke up my skirt about safety. It's not about safety if the offense is allowed to do the same thing with impunity or if the offense is allowed to initiate the unsafe act and still benefit from the call. I'm thinking of the multitude of helmet to helmet calls I've seen in which a defender did nothing wrong of his own accord but the offensive player changed his level making the helmet to helmet contact possible. The one that really gets me is how RBs are essentially allowed to plow through defenders with his facemask essentially parallel to the ground, if it's about safety they should get called. So it's obviously not just about safety, it's about safety as long as it doesnt doesn't hinder the offense.

My other major problem with the modern day NFL is the insane way PI affects every mother****ing game. It is so punitive and called so terribly. Half the PIs I see are bad calls. Then you see egregious examples in which the refs swallow their whistles.

PI needs a complete overhaul. I can't think of another rule in any sport that so changes a game the way PI calls do. I think they need 2 types of PI, incidental and intentional. Intentional can still be a spot foul but would be for the bad examples of PI that are usually very obvious. Incidental should be a 10 yard penalty.

I also think they need to get rid of some of the automatic 1st down penalties. I mean FFS when a defense commits any penalty it's like the NFL is just using it as an excuse to give the offense points. It's ridiculous and their is no equivalent whatsoever. The worst punishment for an offense is holding (not including personal foul type calls, those seem independent of O or D) and that's a 10 yard penalty and is accurately called at maybe a 20% clip. There is literally offensive holding on damn near every play.

Kinger, let me hate. It makes me happy.

I only enjoy watching aesthetically pleasing uniform matchups, or games when the Cowboys are imploding.

Haven't been able to watch a Broncos game yet this year due to my location, 5 hours from Denver, 1 hour from the Colorado border, so jury's out on whether or not I will enjoy watching one of their games.

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Chaz, I love hate. I’m just saying what I think. But let the hate flow!

And a lot of it is just talking point crapola—safety? They don’t care about safety. Agreed.

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Okay I laughed super hard at this…

Joe Burrow is a media darling and thus not held to anything remotely close to a level of accountability.

And it's hilarious because the slow-starting-oft-injured-media-darling gets a pass because of one miracle playoff run. Lamar Jackson gets hurt in the pocket and people bitch about his durability as a mobile QB. Burrow gets hurt behind a line--regardless of how many resources CIN pours into it--and no one bats an eye. Not. A. Single. Damn. Eye.

Joe Burrow starts slow every season and risks a third loss ending their year constantly. Josh Allen plays through injuries and losses to bad circumstances beyond his control in the playoffs and he's mocked.

Mahomes gets downplayed constantly over the years while Burrow, whose biggest moment was beating PM one time in the playoffs gets to eat off of that forever.

It's not that he's not great. It's that he's overrated. He's not better than Mahomes. Never was. He's not hands down better than Allen, either. And FFS, while Lamar has issues in the playoffs, he's more productive in the regular season and a bonafide HoFer. JB isn't.

Just hold him to the same standards as everyone else. And don't give him a pass because he's dreamy and charismatic.

No more excuses. Time for him to win a SB or get shit on like the rest of the QBs in the league.

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Originally Posted by chazoe60

It seems we had a good middle ground in the late 90's into the 2010's ish. The part that bothers me is blowing smoke up my skirt about safety. It's not about safety if the offense is allowed to do the same thing with impunity or if the offense is allowed to initiate the unsafe act and still benefit from the call. I'm thinking of the multitude of helmet to helmet calls I've seen in which a defender did nothing wrong of his own accord but the offensive player changed his level making the helmet to helmet contact possible. The one that really gets me is how RBs are essentially allowed to plow through defenders with his facemask essentially parallel to the ground, if it's about safety they should get called. So it's obviously not just about safety, it's about safety as long as it doesnt doesn't hinder the offense.

My other major problem with the modern day NFL is the insane way PI affects every mother****ing game. It is so punitive and called so terribly. Half the PIs I see are bad calls. Then you see egregious examples in which the refs swallow their whistles.

PI needs a complete overhaul. I can't think of another rule in any sport that so changes a game the way PI calls do. I think they need 2 types of PI, incidental and intentional. Intentional can still be a spot foul but would be for the bad examples of PI that are usually very obvious. Incidental should be a 10 yard penalty.

I also think they need to get rid of some of the automatic 1st down penalties. I mean FFS when a defense commits any penalty it's like the NFL is just using it as an excuse to give the offense points. It's ridiculous and their is no equivalent whatsoever. The worst punishment for an offense is holding (not including personal foul type calls, those seem independent of O or D) and that's a 10 yard penalty and is accurately called at maybe a 20% clip. There is literally offensive holding on damn near every play.

Kinger, let me hate. It makes me happy.

Those were the days that Belichick had his DBs throw WRs to the ground, where bad DBs got to tackle WR's and TEs in the head, etc. I don't think it was fair. I think it was more unfair back then than it is now; we just liked the big hits. It's not about safety; it's about money. The safety increasement is at most a nice bonus for the NFL.

PI isn't as big of a factor in the games. We both watch a lot of football. I think there are a lot of DBs who panic at the last second; so many of them can be avoided if they just turn their heads around. Or FFS, watch old tape from Woodson, Sanders, Green, etc. You can get away with a lot of arm pulling if you time it well.

Holding calls don't happen enough. I think if they're going to be officiated as is then it should be a loss of down. If they'd just call it more fairly it would make the game a slog, but force teams to actually coach OL. Teams with great pass rushers are punished for their roster building because shitty OTs can mitigate a lot of their game-wrecking via holding. It blows.

False start penalties should be ten yards. If for no other reason than how the **** do you **** that up? Especially at home. OPI should be called more. The QB slide rule should be abolished. Or, keep it, but the ball is spotted exactly five yards from where the slide took place. That would require strategy on the QB's part and in-game processing of the field. Harsh? Yeah. Unfair? Probably. But then the QBs would get to experience the same demands defensive players play under.

Maybe those are horrible ideas. IDK. Just talking.

Originally Posted by King87

Those were the days that Belichick had his DBs throw WRs to the ground, where bad DBs got to tackle WR's and TEs in the head, etc. I don't think it was fair. I think it was more unfair back then than it is now; we just liked the big hits. It's not about safety; it's about money. The safety increasement is at most a nice bonus for the NFL.

PI isn't as big of a factor in the games. We both watch a lot of football. I think there are a lot of DBs who panic at the last second; so many of them can be avoided if they just turn their heads around. Or FFS, watch old tape from Woodson, Sanders, Green, etc. You can get away with a lot of arm pulling if you time it well.

Holding calls don't happen enough. I think if they're going to be officiated as is then it should be a loss of down. If they'd just call it more fairly it would make the game a slog, but force teams to actually coach OL. Teams with great pass rushers are punished for their roster building because shitty OTs can mitigate a lot of their game-wrecking via holding. It blows.

False start penalties should be ten yards. If for no other reason than how the **** do you **** that up? Especially at home. OPI should be called more. The QB slide rule should be abolished. Or, keep it, but the ball is spotted exactly five yards from where the slide took place. That would require strategy on the QB's part and in-game processing of the field. Harsh? Yeah. Unfair? Probably. But then the QBs would get to experience the same demands defensive players play under.

Maybe those are horrible ideas. IDK. Just talking.

I completely disagree with you on PI. It is destroying the game. Every deep pass play especially is just a question of flag or not and so many of the calls are shit.

They also need a ref watching from the booth who can immediately correct bad calls, I think they are kind of doing something like that now but they need a full on head ref in the sky. We see the bad calls and recognize them instantly. Just watch a game you do not care about whatsoever, a game in which your bias plays no part at all and you'll see how shitty it is. The spotting of the ball even has been atrocious lately.

I get it that reffing an NFL is very hard, considering how fast that all happens these guys are always going to **** stuff up, that's why they need to institute me as head of the NFL and I will fix all this nonsense.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I completely disagree with you on PI. It is destroying the game. Every deep pass play especially is just a question of flag or not and so many of the calls are shit.

They also need a ref watching from the booth who can immediately correct bad calls, I think they are kind of doing something like that now but they need a full on head ref in the sky. We see the bad calls and recognize them instantly. Just watch a game you do not care about whatsoever, a game in which your bias plays no part at all and you'll see how shitty it is. The spotting of the ball even has been atrocious lately.

I get it that reffing an NFL is very hard, considering how fast that all happens these guys are always going to **** stuff up, that's why they need to institute me as head of the NFL and I will fix all this nonsense.

I don't see it destroying the game. If anything, this week showed us we need more PI calls. I can't find any data on PI calls going up. But a lot of those PI calls are...correct. Being a DB is just hard, and a lot of DBs we thought were good back in the day...weren't. To me the bigger issue is less PI and more of a need for OPI/pick play calls.


I don't disagree with a de-facto-oh-hell-naw referee. Would save teams challenges, etc.

I don't want to admit how many regular season NFL games I watch, Chazoe. It's sad. The refs can't spot the ball for shit. And it's really, really, really bad.