Thread: We are cutting Simmons.

Originally Posted by Buff

I think the main point is that there are no sacred cows on a team that's missed the playoffs 8 years in a row. Love Simmons - wish him well, but not afraid of wholesale changes. Let's go get two firsts for PS2 and really enrage this fickle fanbase!

Just as long as Garrett Bolles gets to play here until he's 40.

The Denver Broncos are releasing star safety Justin Simmons, ESPN’s Adam Schefter first reported on Thursday.

Simmons, 30, was scheduled to have a base salary of $14.5 million and a total salary cap hit of $18.25 million in 2024, according to OverTheCap.com. The veteran safety has earned just north of $62.7 million through eight seasons in the NFL, according to Spotrac.com.

The Broncos will eat $3.75 million worth of “dead money” against the cap with a net savings of $14.5 million, according to OTC.

Simmons is the latest star safety to get cut this offseason for cap reasons, joining a list of defensive backs that includes Jordan Poyer, Jamal Adams, Kevin Byard, Quandre Diggs, Rayshawn Jenkins and Eddie Jackson.

It’s possible that Denver could re-sign Simmons for less than he was set to earn in 2024, but the team likely asked the safety to take a pay cut before releasing him.

rest - https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/202...ustin-simmons/

Originally Posted by dogfish

Just as long as Garrett Bolles gets to play here until he's 40.

Why are you mad though? We knew there would be pain in getting rid of Russ. Paton is going to pay for his sins eventually. Simmons is great, but the math said safety made sense to get cheaper. I guess I'm so relieved to be in the post-Russ era that I'm willing to accept some of this. Also, I think the Rams have shown that you can be competitive even with dead money.

Originally Posted by Buff

Why are you mad though? We knew there would be pain in getting rid of Russ. Paton is going to pay for his sins eventually. Simmons is great, but the math said safety made sense to get cheaper. I guess I'm so relieved to be in the post-Russ era that I'm willing to accept some of this. Also, I think the Rams have shown that you can be competitive even with dead money.

I'm pissed because I've spent the last decade watching the dumb donkeys screw up literally every move that they make. They have exhausted their benefit of the doubt. Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% fine with a complete tear down. It's what I want. But I have less than 0 confidence but they can or will do it properly, especially after watching them turn down an offer to get real value for Jeudy last year. Clearing cap space is fine, but you should start by getting rid of your bad contracts. Not getting rid of the best players on your team while getting no value in return. Losing our only defensive playmaker well getting no closer to legit QB doesn't give me the warm fuzzies.I also don't trust Payton to have the patience for a proper rebuild. If this was the route we were going to go, they should have hired a young coach and held onto those draft picks.

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Nice thread

His contract is probably too backloaded to be tradable. However stupid the front office may or may not be I don’t believe they’re dumb enough to not at least get a fifth for him if they could.

Originally Posted by Buff

I think the main point is that there are no sacred cows on a team that's missed the playoffs 8 years in a row. Love Simmons - wish him well, but not afraid of wholesale changes. Let's go get two firsts for PS2 and really enrage this fickle fanbase!

I agree with this. Until we actually have a FQB, the rest doesn’t really matter. I would trade PS2 in a heartbeat for 2 first round picks. No player is safe on a losing team. PS2 isn’t untouchable and he’s one of our few players with value. People forget he picked the most important game of the season to have his worst performance of the year. He got punked by Bailey frickin’ Zappe in a do or die playoff game.

Dump every player that has value and has been part of the stink. Sutton, Jeudy, Jones, Patrick, all of the worthless TEs, etc. I might keep Bolles just because he’s serviceable and if we do draft a young QB he needs protection to develop but everyone else with a bloated contract that isn’t being lived up to can F’in go. Flush it and start over.

As a Broncos fan, hate to see him go. As a Simmons fan good for him.

This was going to be tough no matter what, and I'd rather do now what we should've done 6 years ago and get this built up right. Lets be young, stupid, and fun next season and see what happens. I just want a direction and I think we are working on that for the first time in years.

Originally Posted by Buff

Hate to see Simmons go, but these are basically my thoughts as well...

You have to have draft stock and cash to rebuild....we have neither...

Originally Posted by GEM

You have to have draft stock and cash to rebuild....we have neither...

We can have both if we cut the dead weight, trade for what we can and clear the books. Restructure those we want to keep to clear cap space. Lots of our vets are getting paid a lot without a whole lot of guaranteed $ left on their deals. Imagine if we had an extra 1st this year and next. PS2 could bring that. We could trade up for a top QB or grab a QB at 12 and one of the beast WRs or a top interior DL (who are gonna fall because of the overcrowding of offensive talent at the top) with our second first rounder. Having a “shutdown corner” is a nice luxury, but when we can’t get pressure on Mahomes or cover a TE, or stop the run, what does it matter if we remove one shitty KC WR from the game twice a year?

We should’ve done the complete tear down and rebuild after SB 50 but Elway didn’t want to and we just kept trying to use band aids. Just like the Shanahan era after the 2 Super Bowl victories, we held on to trying to reload instead of rebuild too long and it eventually cost Shanny his job. After 9 years of dashed hopes and futility and overvaluing our roster, it’s time to just tear it all down and start fresh. I think Payton can do it the right way. What do we have to lose? We haven’t had a winning season in almost a decade.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

We can have both if we cut the dead weight, trade for what we can and clear the books. Restructure those we want to keep to clear cap space. Lots of our vets are getting paid a lot without a whole lot of guaranteed $ left on their deals. Imagine if we had an extra 1st this year and next. PS2 could bring that. We could trade up for a top QB or grab a QB at 12 and one of the beast WRs or a top interior DL (who are gonna fall because of the overcrowding of offensive talent at the top) with our second first rounder. Having a “shutdown corner” is a nice luxury, but when we can’t get pressure on Mahomes or cover a TE, or stop the run, what does it matter if we remove one shitty KC WR from the game twice a year?

We should’ve done the complete tear down and rebuild after SB 50 but Elway didn’t want to and we just kept trying to use band aids. Just like the Shanahan era after the 2 Super Bowl victories, we held on to trying to reload instead of rebuild too long and it eventually cost Shanny his job. After 9 years of dashed hopes and futility and overvaluing our roster, it’s time to just tear it all down and start fresh. I think Payton can do it the right way. What do we have to lose? We haven’t had a winning season in almost a decade.

And no matter what you do, you aren't finding a cb as good as PS2. Cutting good talent when you have crappy talent scouts...is hard. We aren't good at hard.

PS2 is wasted on this team. It's stupid to have a shutdown CB as your best player on a team that misses the playoffs every year. A shutdown corner on a team with no FQB is like telling me I get to play chess against the best chess player in the world and my one advantage is that he doesn't get to use his bishops. It doesn't matter, hea going to beat my brains in anyway. If I was the second or tenth best chess player in the world that advantage would be huge, as it is it is lost on a novice like me.

Shutdown corners are luxuries for teams with SB aspirations. As it is by the time we are a viable SB contender, if ever, PS2 will be in that unfortunate point in a CBs career in which their contract makes it hard for us to keep him anyway. He's going to be the highest paid CB in history at some point in his career, what logical sense does it make for the Broncos to spend that kind of money on a luxury position. I'll remind everyone so far in PS2's magnificent career, he's bested Mahomes once. That's what having the best CB on the planet gets you against the best QB on the planet, one win in 4 years. Without a FQB none of this matters other than our sentimentality.

As long as we can free up enough cap space to re-sign Josie Jewel, everything else is gravy.

#FML
#MiseryPorn

Originally Posted by chazoe60

PS2 is wasted on this team. It's stupid to have a shutdown CB as your best player on a team that misses the playoffs every year. A shutdown corner on a team with no FQB is like telling me I get to play chess against the best chess player in the world and my one advantage is that he doesn't get to use his bishops. It doesn't matter, hea going to beat my brains in anyway. If I was the second or tenth best chess player in the world that advantage would be huge, as it is it is lost on a novice like me.

Shutdown corners are luxuries for teams with SB aspirations. As it is by the time we are a viable SB contender, if ever, PS2 will be in that unfortunate point in a CBs career in which their contract makes it hard for us to keep him anyway. He's going to be the highest paid CB in history at some point in his career, what logical sense does it make for the Broncos to spend that kind of money on a luxury position. I'll remind everyone so far in PS2's magnificent career, he's bested Mahomes once. That's what having the best CB on the planet gets you against the best QB on the planet, one win in 4 years. Without a FQB none of this matters other than our sentimentality.

Champ Bailey wasted many years of his career here, but having him here was a huge part of the turnaround. I don't expect this team to be a playoff team next year, but please remember how quickly things can change. I don't think it was stupid to have Champ on the roster all of those years.

Originally Posted by GEM

Why in God's name would we trust the dipshits in charge to have the ability to rebuild this team. Same front office and GM that gave Wilson a contract when we had a good 2 year window contract to see if he was a waste of time. Couldn't find a trade partner for Justin Simmons? Really? That shows the depth of ineptitude of this fugging team's front office.

A couple of thoughts: George is no longer in charge of anything, other than bringing Payton his coffee in the morning.

Also, take a look at the safeties that have been released or were already FAs. There are a few available that are younger and arguably better than Simmons. Given the safety talent available, and our current cap situation, ain’t nobody giving up value for Simmons.

This team has been garbage for 8 years. A full rebuild is about 6 years over do. It’s gonna suck, but it needs to be done.