Thread: 2024 random pre-draft ramblings

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

We're not getting one of the top 3 QB's. There are so many teams that need it with infinite more draft ammo then we have. I am sure we will try but this is a bidding war we lose this year IMO. If we think McCarthy can work, we take him at 12. Most likely however Paton will convince SP we need bowers the TE at 12...and can get rattler or the Tulane guy in rd 3....Don't forget about S, CB and a kicker as well since were too broke to re-sign lutz

We just Need S's, CB's, TE's and avg joe blows at QB to maintain our 9-8 ceiling...we got this.......

I changed my mind on this many times, and will change it again I’m sure. But today, I’m thinking McCarthy at 12, or we move back. I’m down on Penix, and I’m all over the place on Nix. I hear everything from Nix is a great fit for Payton at 12 to Nix is a 3rd round talent.
Anyway, McCarthy may be the most undervalued because he was never asked to do much. He was surrounded by a great running game & defense. It’s not that he can’t, but rather he didn’t have to. But he has the physical tools and smarts. Payton may have a different idea of course, so who knows?

Originally Posted by R8R H8R

I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

until you keep hearing all the Senior bowl rumors that teams are starting to feel better about trading non Qb elite talent for a top Qb, and players like Surtain are becoming valuable trading chips. I 100% want a QBOTF but we have zero capital and money to build around that guy if we draft him this year in the top 5 and I see no value in trading away your top talent to give to another team for a QB that now has to play on a depleted roster....

Originally Posted by R8R H8R

I changed my mind on this many times, and will change it again I’m sure. But today, I’m thinking McCarthy at 12, or we move back. I’m down on Penix, and I’m all over the place on Nix. I hear everything from Nix is a great fit for Payton at 12 to Nix is a 3rd round talent.
Anyway, McCarthy may be the most undervalued because he was never asked to do much. He was surrounded by a great running game & defense. It’s not that he can’t, but rather he didn’t have to. But he has the physical tools and smarts. Payton may have a different idea of course, so who knows?

I'm also on the McCarthy at 12 or move back wagon. Moving back and rolling with Stidham still gives us a good shot next year at a top ten QB. Sanders for example.....

I honestly think at this point, since acquiring one of the first 2 picks short of finding pictures of the respective owners in compromising positions with male escorts and trading a Walmart bakery pumpkin pie for the pick, seems impossible, my first choice is to sign Baker Mayfield.

I say we just go hog wild. Volunteer for Hard Knocks, sign Baker, draft the BPA and let's just watch the show. Actually kinda sounds fun.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

I'm also on the McCarthy at 12 or move back wagon. Moving back and rolling with Stidham still gives us a good shot next year at a top ten QB. Sanders for example.....

My ideal situation is that we move back to the 20’s and get a 2nd & another pick. If McCarthy is still there, we take him. If not, we take BPA in the trenches. Then take a developmental QB like Rattler or Pratt w/ the 2nd. Take a TE with the 3rd. Stidham can hold the fort for 2024.
But I think that may work better on a message board than it does in real life.

One thing to consider is that in 2006 when Payton was a rookie coach, he had the #2 pick of the draft. He had his choice of Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Jay Cutler, all for the taking. What did he do? Take Reggie Bush and a chance on a shoulder damaged player that no one else wanted as their starter, and gave him a huge contract(for that time). That was Drew Brees.

Before the naysayers jump in with the usual “yeah, but he was a HOFer!”. Nope, not then he wasn’t. Look at his stats, it was ordinary. He had 1 pro bowl year, but so did Trevor Siemian. His last year with the chargers was a decline from his Pro Bowl year. And Miami was the only other team that showed interest in Brees, but they chose Culpepper. Besides, Brees was playing in a typical Marty Schottenhiemer offense. I will go to my grave with the belief that if Brees played his entire career in SD, he never sniffs the HOF.

So what, you may say? It’s why I really believe Payton is not going to mortgage the Broncos future any more than it already has by trading into the top 3. I also wouldn’t be surprised that even if Nix and/or Penix is there at 12, Payton doesn’t think twice about moving back. McCartney is the one I’m not sure about. I could see it both ways. In other words, I can see Payton taking him at 12, and I can see him trading back, and if he’s still there, grab him. If not, so be it. So, not sure on him.

As of today, I think Stidham and maybe another vet, is the initial plan for 2024. And hopefully, he takes a QB in either in the late 1st, or 2nd in a trade back. Many of you will hate it, but I trust Payton on this. Besides, what choice do I have?

I've been watching a lot of JJ McCarthy vids the last couple of days. That kid can play. He wasn't asked to do a lot but when he needed to he made some very nice throws. He might be a great fit for SP.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I've been watching a lot of JJ McCarthy vids the last couple of days. That kid can play. He wasn't asked to do a lot but when he needed to he made some very nice throws. He might be a great fit for SP.

Yep. He the kind of kid that I can see Payton thinking he has the tools he likes, but he needs more polish. In other words, he may see him as undervalued just because of what you said, he was never asked to carry an offense with his arm. But that's also my hesitation on him. Payton may say, McCarthy is my guy, but there's no value in taking him at 12 because he's going to sit a minimum of a year. OTOH, "he may say, we got to take him at 12 because we can't take the chance he may be there in the 20's". I just don't know.

Originally Posted by R8R H8R

One thing to consider is that in 2006 when Payton was a rookie coach, he had the #2 pick of the draft. He had his choice of Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and Jay Cutler, all for the taking. What did he do? Take Reggie Bush and a chance on a shoulder damaged player that no one else wanted as their starter, and gave him a huge contract(for that time). That was Drew Brees.

Before the naysayers jump in with the usual “yeah, but he was a HOFer!”. Nope, not then he wasn’t. Look at his stats, it was ordinary. He had 1 pro bowl year, but so did Trevor Siemian. His last year with the chargers was a decline from his Pro Bowl year. And Miami was the only other team that showed interest in Brees, but they chose Culpepper. Besides, Brees was playing in a typical Marty Schottenhiemer offense. I will go to my grave with the belief that if Brees played his entire career in SD, he never sniffs the HOF.

So what, you may say? It’s why I really believe Payton is not going to mortgage the Broncos future any more than it already has by trading into the top 3. I also wouldn’t be surprised that even if Nix and/or Penix is there at 12, Payton doesn’t think twice about moving back. McCartney is the one I’m not sure about. I could see it both ways. In other words, I can see Payton taking him at 12, and I can see him trading back, and if he’s still there, grab him. If not, so be it. So, not sure on him.

As of today, I think Stidham and maybe another vet, is the initial plan for 2024. And hopefully, he takes a QB in either in the late 1st, or 2nd in a trade back. Many of you will hate it, but I trust Payton on this. Besides, what choice do I have?

To your point about the bum shoulder, wouldn’t be surprised at all if he tried to trade back in the first to get a 2nd and take a chance on Penix. He has big hands and showed he could sit in the pocket and make NFL throws. He might actually turn out to be the best of the bunch.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I honestly think at this point, since acquiring one of the first 2 picks short of finding pictures of the respective owners in compromising positions with male escorts and trading a Walmart bakery pumpkin pie for the pick, seems impossible, my first choice is to sign Baker Mayfield.

I say we just go hog wild. Volunteer for Hard Knocks, sign Baker, draft the BPA and let's just watch the show. Actually kinda sounds fun.

Baker is going back to TB, unless he gets some insane deal or offer from another team of which we don't have the ability to offer. The TB GM already alluded to re-signing baker as one of their top priorities.

Originally Posted by Slick

To your point about the bum shoulder, wouldn’t be surprised at all if he tried to trade back in the first to get a 2nd and take a chance on Penix. He has big hands and showed he could sit in the pocket and make NFL throws. He might actually turn out to be the best of the bunch.

All depends on how they feel about his accuracy and anticipation that was a clear issue at the SB. He has the arm tools, but he needs a lot of Developoment for the NFL level still outside just a strong arm.

I used to think Atlanta would be a good landing spot for Rus but now that they hired Morris as HC I don't know that that will happen. Moore's last impression of Rus on the field was that walloping 2 years ago when Rus threw 3 pics. Not saying that makes it a sure thing they wouldn't try to sign him but those impressions matter.

Rus is going to sign somewhere for the league min. and the Broncos are going to pay his actual salary for the next 2 seasons to start or at least compete somewhere, just not sure where. I'm pretty sure that's how that works anyway.


Edit to clarify- Morris was DC for the Rams when they smoked us 50whatever to nowherenear50 and Rus threw 3 pics.

Kill me now

So basically we only get 3 picks for the next 2 years but I think I'd take it.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

I'm also on the McCarthy at 12 or move back wagon. Moving back and rolling with Stidham still gives us a good shot next year at a top ten QB. Sanders for example.....

Stidham??? Not a chance!