Thread: Fire George Paton

Originally Posted by Buff

Doesn't really matter who the next GM is as Payton is the de facto GM. Wouldn't surprise me if he somehow lured Mickey Loomis out of New Orleans to work together again - not sure what his contract looks like.

I guess we will see a lot of questions to be answered this season is already over in early October so sad to see.

Originally Posted by Buff

Doesn't really matter who the next GM is as Payton is the de facto GM.

This is the critical part. It's Payton's show now, he's effectively the president of football operations, and every buck eventually stops at his desk. Certainly including but not limited to the hiring of the glorified scouts who will fill out the rest of the team management depth chart.

Originally Posted by aberdien

What exactly has Paton done that makes him a winner? Because it certainly isn't winning.

Hm. College talent evaluation?

Originally Posted by Buff

They give Russ this big check, pay his receivers above $10m/y, pay for an oline., and yet...

Can't do anything in the 3rd quarter.

Defensively, can't tackle. Can't cover tight ends. Keep getting shredded in the middle by backs, tight ends, and receivers.

For what Sutton is making, he needs to be a goner. Clark hasn't been part of the pass rush, so can ship him off too since he is just a rental.

Get lost loser

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Hm. College talent evaluation?

I disagree his Drafts have been Blah and his FA's have been shit.

Paton's drafts

2012
Surtain- Elite Grade A
Williams- Very good, but injuries are stacking so at best its a B
Meinerz- Above avg OL player prob C+
Bowning- Solid player, constantly hurt C+
Sterns- Flashed but always hurt C+
Johnson- No longer with team F
Seth Williams No Longer with team F

2022

Bonito- Rounding into form seems to be good player B grade right now
Dulchich- Didnt need him, always hurt pretty much useless outside seam routes. D Grade
Mathis- very Avg corner C Grade
Uwazarike scrub and now suspended all year F
Turner yell- scrub Player D
Wattenberg- Scrub C-

2023
Mims- Looks to be good B
Sanders- Looked lost but grade incomplete
Moss- Injuries Grade incomplete
Skinner- Kept on roster as 6th safety so dumb seems to be a scrub but incomplete being year 1
Forysth- On roster Solid depth i guess, grade incomplete

Now Lets talk top FA's moves
Bringing in teddy B- Grade idiot
Resigned Sutton, Patrick and Jewell. Wasted money on all 3 at this point. Jewell is the only one I actually fault him for though
Russ Overpaid massively, not sure we had a choice though, really f'ed our cap
Gregory Bust
Allen Not great so far but year 1 incomplete
DJ jones Bust
Powers Not great so far but year 1 incomplete grade IMO
McGlinchey Not great so far but year 1 incomplete grade IMO
Singleton good year 1 back to scrub a doo year 2.
Kareem jackson How the f is he still around.....


Then lets talk Hackett being such a shit show you had to trade for a coach using a 1st rd pick, That's fireable by itself.


Nothing above shows we should be keeping this guy for any longer!!!

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

I disagree his Drafts have been Blah and his FA's have been shit.

I'd keep him around as head of college scouting and let him focus on that. The other GM stuff maybe dilutes his best attribute. That's me.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'd keep him around as head of college scouting and let him focus on that. The other GM stuff maybe dilutes his best attribute. That's me.

Why he hasn't even been good at picking college players why do we want him scouting them....Its time to move on. No different then Russ or any of the high priced players we have not earning their keep. Denver needs to move on. Every one is accountable especially him for this shit show.......

https://denversports.com/2104634/the...s-a-good-idea/

I'm not saying Inc is wrong; I personally feel like Paton is irrelevant because SP is the new sheriff in town.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

Paton's drafts

2012
Surtain- Elite Grade A
Williams- Very good, but injuries are stacking so at best its a B
Meinerz- Above avg OL player prob C+
Bowning- Solid player, constantly hurt C+
Sterns- Flashed but always hurt C+
Johnson- No longer with team F
Seth Williams No Longer with team F

2022

Bonito- Rounding into form seems to be good player B grade right now
Dulchich- Didnt need him, always hurt pretty much useless outside seam routes. D Grade
Mathis- very Avg corner C Grade
Uwazarike scrub and now suspended all year F
Turner yell- scrub Player D
Wattenberg- Scrub C-

2023
Mims- Looks to be good B
Sanders- Looked lost but grade incomplete
Moss- Injuries Grade incomplete
Skinner- Kept on roster as 6th safety so dumb seems to be a scrub but incomplete being year 1
Forysth- On roster Solid depth i guess, grade incomplete

Now Lets talk top FA's moves
Bringing in teddy B- Grade idiot
Resigned Sutton, Patrick and Jewell. Wasted money on all 3 at this point. Jewell is the only one I actually fault him for though
Russ Overpaid massively, not sure we had a choice though, really f'ed our cap
Gregory Bust
Allen Not great so far but year 1 incomplete
DJ jones Bust
Powers Not great so far but year 1 incomplete grade IMO
McGlinchey Not great so far but year 1 incomplete grade IMO
Singleton good year 1 back to scrub a doo year 2.
Kareem jackson How the f is he still around.....


Then lets talk Hackett being such a shit show you had to trade for a coach using a 1st rd pick, That's fireable by itself.


Nothing above shows we should be keeping this guy for any longer!!!

A lot of this is just subjective. I'd argue he ****** up by not taking Fields, who at this point has shown he can play, over a CB because if the CB pans out but you're QBless then you're a loser anyway. How this has panned out pretty much validates my take; but even that's subjective. Surtain as a player is an A pick and that deserves credit, too. Moving on...How can a team with a bad line draft an above average OL but the pick isn't commensurate with his play? It's hard to bash a guy for injured players, as well, though you could bash Paton for going after guys with too much of an injury history.

And then we get to stuff that's super subjective. Teddy B as a backup/insurance policy was a good pickup. Plus Denver was in the business of winning now, and Lock couldn't cut it; how do you blast a guy for picking up a QB in trade that's better than his starter?

I think that fans get intimately cognizant of their team's--from top to bottom--flaws and drown out the flaws of over teams--again, top to bottom--because you have to comp him to his peers. In a vacuum, no one's success rate is good. And for the record, I hated him trading away Chubb--that's just an obvious mistake at this point--and many of his other FA moves. It's just that other GMs are doing the exact same things.

Originally Posted by King87

https://denversports.com/2104634/the...s-a-good-idea/

I'm not saying Inc is wrong; I personally feel like Paton is irrelevant because SP is the new sheriff in town.

Which makes firing Paton short-sighted, I like Paton’s philosophy on athleticism over bullshit “fits the system” . . . I think the Broncos need his ying to Payton’s yang.

Originally Posted by King87

https://denversports.com/2104634/the...s-a-good-idea/

I'm not saying Inc is wrong; I personally feel like Paton is irrelevant because SP is the new sheriff in town.

There some truth to this kind of why i have trouble grading the FA's and draft picks this year....Who knows how much Paton or Payton is responsible. what i do know is Paton traded a 1st rd pick for a coach that has us 1-5. So while Payton owns that shit, Paton is the one that obtained that issue. Its time for him to go.

Originally Posted by King87

A lot of this is just subjective. I'd argue he ****** up by not taking Fields, who at this point has shown he can play, over a CB because if the CB pans out but you're QBless then you're a loser anyway. How this has panned out pretty much validates my take; but even that's subjective. Surtain as a player is an A pick and that deserves credit, too. Moving on...How can a team with a bad line draft an above average OL but the pick isn't commensurate with his play? It's hard to bash a guy for injured players, as well, though you could bash Paton for going after guys with too much of an injury history.

And then we get to stuff that's super subjective. Teddy B as a backup/insurance policy was a good pickup. Plus Denver was in the business of winning now, and Lock couldn't cut it; how do you blast a guy for picking up a QB in trade that's better than his starter?

I think that fans get intimately cognizant of their team's--from top to bottom--flaws and drown out the flaws of over teams--again, top to bottom--because you have to comp him to his peers. In a vacuum, no one's success rate is good. And for the record, I hated him trading away Chubb--that's just an obvious mistake at this point--and many of his other FA moves. It's just that other GMs are doing the exact same things.

Bringing in Teddy B was never the right call ever. He was Flacco bitch ass scrub if we are in the business of winning we should have moved on from lock ignored teddy drafted a QB with talent. He failed in that **** Paton....How the f does a GM get a pass for 1 grade A pick in 3 years f that f paton.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Which makes firing Paton short-sighted, I like Paton’s philosophy on athleticism over bullshit “fits the system” . . . I think the Broncos need his ying to Payton’s yang.

why 1st year shows its pathetic pairing.....I refuse to support Paton any longer. F him. His body of work has been shit. Its great he likes talent its a good trait to have as a GM, he just doesn't understand roster construction and loves injury rehab projects f that f him.....He has 1 grade a prospect to his name f'in 1. And Surtain was deemed to be pretty much a lock anyway. He has failed in Denver and as far as i am concerned he can get the f out.
This roster we have is utter shit and full of crap....That's on the GM full stop its been 3 years for christ sakes. Goodbye paton, and good riddance.