Thread: 2023/24 Other Teams GameDay Thread.

Originally Posted by GEM

The outside receiver gets the warning. Dipstick was playing inside. WR's are trained from youth ball to look over to the ref, pull up the arm and get the nod. He didn't look at the ref once.

It falls on him.

Period.

And Mahommes and Reid crying was ******* fantastic!

The warning is generally given across the board, per my understanding. And as far as crying goes, I dunno, there are some NBA fans on the board that should love that stuff. 90's ball and all.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

The same call was called against the Eagles last night and it was much closer, the Olineman was barely lined up offsides and it was still called, nobody batted an eye. It might have been technically a different call as the Chiefs call was termed “lined up in the neutral zone” while the Eagles call was termed “off sides” not sure the difference if any but it did seem the officials used different terminology, but it was essentially the same penalty.

To Kings point, we don’t know if the Chiefs were given a warning because warnings aren’t announced to the world. Also, the WR was looking straight at the ball that he was lined up on the wrong side of, absolutely his fault and his fault alone. It was egregious and the flag was thrown immediately. Imagine the optics of “we decided to pick up the flag because the result of the play was so awesome”. The Bills would have an absolute legit reason to flip out had that happened.

King is wrong about this issue and Mahomes looks like a petulant child who is just so used to the refs catering to him, because that is what he is at least in terms of reffing. He’s a generational player who doesn’t need the help of the refs, even though he constantly gets exactly that.

Take the L King, you’re wrong on this one.

I would be wrong if that guy wasn't given a warning, and if that lack of warning would depart from the norms of the league. And I would concede that point. I'm just going off of reports, interviews, and what I've seen as a armchair quarterback.

But...I am not wrong insofar as just about every fan on this board would be livid if the tables were turned; I cite to...being here for a long time. And as a man who has rooted for many teams over the years, I am an expert in fan bases.

Does any of this change my typical response of "if you just play better, then you won't be in this absurd position?" to players and teams? Nope. I always go back to that New Orleans playoff run where they wasted home field advantage, short fields, forced turnovers, and a blown lead against the Rams. Yeah, that no call on PI was AWFUL, but that's just not how it works. Then they got the ball first in OT and threw a pick. Sports is the ultimate notion of accountability. But, no one likes hyper-technical calls in general and all that.

Regarding Mahomes: even if he's right and the officiating is shit, it's not the same crew as the week before. I only support the guy because reffing is getting so bad, and they're so pampered, they need to be called out. Dating back to when I covered junior college sports, I've seen too many soft refs. So yeah, I think he got shafted on this one, and last game was oof, but it's not a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by King87

The warning is generally given across the board, per my understanding. And as far as crying goes, I dunno, there are some NBA fans on the board that should love that stuff. 90's ball and all.

You have to look over at the ref to get a warning, he never looked.

It falls 100% on the player.

Originally Posted by King87

I would be wrong if that guy wasn't given a warning, and if that lack of warning would depart from the norms of the league. And I would concede that point.

I am not wrong insofar as just about every fan on this board would be livid if the tables were turned; I cite to...being here for a long time.

Does any of this change my typical response of "if you just play better, then you won't be in this absurd position?" to players and teams? Nope. I always go back to that New Orleans playoff run where they wasted home field advantage, short fields, forced turnovers, and a blown lead against the Rams. Yeah, that no call on PI was AWFUL, but that's just not how it works. Then they got the ball first in OT and threw a pick. Sports is the ultimate notion of accountability. But, no one likes hyper-technical calls in general and all that.

Regarding Mahomes: even if he's right and the officiating is shit, it's not the same crew as the week before. I only support the guy because reffing is getting so bad, and they're so pampered, they need to be called out. Dating back to when I covered junior college sports, I've seen too many soft refs. So yeah, I think he got shafted on this one, and last game was oof, but it's not a conspiracy.

Then he'd have to admit that he too has received NUMEROUS gifts from the refs...

A guy clearly half a foot over the line and it's the refs fault for calling it.

You can't complain about refs while at the same time calling them out for an actual good call. There are plenty of bad calls to call out the refs bs job the last couple years...this isn't the one.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I like King's diverse perspective this time like always.

I agree with him that officiating would probably benefit from more transparent accountability. In our data-driven age, the subjectivity inherent in the human referee is becoming almost obscene--if sensors, algorithms, and logic could arrive at the correct answer closer to 100% of the time.

Why subject an already chaotic game to even more instability? Unless the goal is to get viewers riled up, it only skews outcomes away from the righteous ones.

I'm proposing robots and AI as refs, and it's only as a thought exercise. Compare scientific perfection to human frailty. Ok, now back to reality -- refs are going nowhere. This proposal would be crushed by the referee union. (If there is one, otherwise the equivalent power bloc).

So Kinger has a point--more transparency and public accountability is welcome to us fans.

For example.

Imagine ref stats.

Vinovich's crew is reffing the game. Imagine knowing all the data about this team, by individual. Knowing the data of all ref teams. Comparing one to another. Identifying statistically significant trends. Stuff that is really unique to one ref or team. Stats about accuracy, how well they call a game. Etc.

I bet they keep this data internally, so why not let the sunshine in and share it?

Ok, so I appreciate King's perspective. But...

1. Mahonmes was too whiny. A disinterested observer would see him and think 'I hate that'.

2. Too much hindsight bias. The flag was thrown prior to the play being so high-leverage to the outcome of the game. Even if the ref was fickle or mercurial in how he called the penalty -- not ideal -- it was an accurate call. If the result was an incompletion, no one cares. Mahomes doesn't get butthurt. His tantrum is made worse by his logical inconsistency.

1. This is subjective. Many fans are happy the refs are getting blasted, many are sympathetic to the guy/team given the officiating this season.

2. The bias only occurs if one is inconsistent. Which is why I tried to lay out why people hated it: hyper-technical, at the end of the game, doesn't actually give an advantage, no warning was given. The best rebuttal I could give is the refs let the play continue, and it is a game where penalties can occur while a play is completed. Accuracy isn't much of an argument given the context of the play. The ref could turn around and finally call holding on an OL that play, it would be accurate. That would depart from the norms, however. Which is sort of what I'm getting at.

Time to walk the dog. Was fun.

Meanwhile, Spiker is removing you all from his Christmas card list. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

Meanwhile, Spiker is removing you all from his Christmas card list. . .

Not me, I'm sticking up for the refs on this one. It's bizarro world.

Went over to ChiefsPlanet to witness the meltdown yesterday eve. Early on I was fairly surprised to see a majority of the commenters laying the blame squarely on the WR who clearly lined up in the neutral zone. Later the Chiefs apologists started arriving, but a good number of posts still pinned the blame where it belongs; on the player. Quite refreshing actually since lately I've been getting an entitled vibe from that team and many of their fans.

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Went over to ChiefsPlanet to witness the meltdown yesterday eve. Early on I was fairly surprised to see a majority of the commenters laying the blame squarely on the WR who clearly lined up in the neutral zone. Later the Chiefs apologists started arriving, but a good number of posts still pinned the blame where it belongs; on the player. Quite refreshing actually since lately I've been getting an entitled vibe from that team and many of their fans.

Chiefs planet is a cesspool of filth and degeneracy. Those people are some of the worst people on the internet.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Chiefs planet is a cesspool of filth and degeneracy. Those people are some of the worst people on the internet.

Without a doubt. Hence my surprise at the lack of a total conflagration of torches and pitchforks being called for on the refs.

I wanted to marry a woman who was a Chiefs fan. She broke my heart.

Originally Posted by aberdien

What a bitch. Josh Allen should have beat his ass. In a fight I’m taking the old farm boy Allen every day.