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    Default Pearl Jam - GAH Week 7 - 12.17.22

    Once...upon a time...

    So. Yesterday I stopped at a used CD store. I'm visiting fam in Seattle and my mom's car has no Bluetooth, just CD. I picked up:

    REM Eponymous
    Pearl Jam Binaural
    Bruce Springsteen - The Wild, The Innocent....
    Ben Folds Five - Whatever and Ever Amen

    Binaural, on first listen, sounded massively overproduced, over mixed. Some good music. The bass got lost with the kick a lot of the time. Seems like a circa 2000 tactic. I wanna give it more play, despite it having a sort of samey feel and a dirge-like ethos.

    But it sorta sucks imo.

    I gotta explore the post No Code stuff more. So far it sucks but maybe I'm doing it wrong. Maybe it will end up being amazing. That could happen.

    I thought I was going to end up saying PJ was my choice for "greatest" but after Binaural idk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting
    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    Nah, in fact i would say really outside of TEN and parts of Gigaton the band was pretty mediocre. Most of their catalog is pretty bland to be honest.

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    How “Jeremy” Reshaped Culture—and Pearl Jam in the Process
    https://www.theringer.com/music/2022...d-steven-hyden

    It was “Jeremy”—more than the Singles soundtrack, “Hunger Strike,” or any other song on Ten—that elevated Pearl Jam from popular rock band to genuine cultural phenomenon, and Vedder from budding rock star to generational spokesman. This was compounded by the relative slowness of pre-internet culture—“Jeremy” hung around for a long time, finally winning a Video of the Year trophy at the MTV Video Music Awards a full 13 months after it first aired in August 1992.

    More than any other music video made by a commercially successful alt-rock band at the time, “Jeremy” was a scathing critique of conformist mainstream American culture. Not only is the American flag surrounded by flames—though not quite set on fire—but a classroom of students doing the Pledge of Allegiance is equated with their performing a Nazi salute. There’s also a reference to Genesis 3:6, a Bible verse about how the arrogance of humans led to the destruction of the Garden of Eden.

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    In Pellington’s original edit—which is now commonly available on YouTube—Jeremy is clearly seen putting the gun barrel in his mouth. While you don’t see him literally commit suicide, the implication is obvious. MTV, however, insisted on cutting these crucial frames. This made it unclear whether the frozen, blood-splattered faces of his classmates we see at the video’s end signify their horror over Jeremy’s death or their own deaths at Jeremy’s hand. MTV’s prohibition inadvertently changed “Jeremy” from a video about suicide to a video about a school shooting.

    This perception unwittingly was aided by Vedder’s lyrics, which could now be interpreted differently in light of the edit. The most underrated aspect of “Jeremy” is the cleverness of Vedder’s storytelling, which for the most part does not come from Jeremy’s point of view. Rather, he speaks on behalf of the classmates who abused him. In their eyes, Jeremy appeared to be a “harmless little ****” until their teasing “unleashed a lion,” causing him to lash out and bite “the recess lady’s breast.” (This detail suggests that the fictional Jeremy had already been an outcast for years, since his grade-school days.)

    “Jeremy” is really a song about everybody around Jeremy. This narrative construction puts the listener in the place of the villains rather than the hero, an approach no doubt inspired by a multitude of Pete Townshend songs about marginalized loner freaks, from “Happy Jack” to Tommy. The exception is the first verse, in which Vedder writes from an omniscient perspective that paints Jeremy in a more sinister light—the pictures he draws by himself allude to fantasies of revenge and dominance, with Jeremy’s “arms raised in a V / as the dead lay in pools of maroon below.”

    In the video, this is muddled further by the casting of Wilson, a darkly handsome young man whose rich brown hair and high cheekbones bear more than a passing resemblance to a teenaged Eddie Vedder. This puts the idea in the viewer’s mind that Jeremy is Vedder, who presumably eluded authorities all these years ago in order to relate his story. Again, this is possible only because viewers originally couldn’t see the gun go in Jeremy’s mouth at the end of the video.

    Editing out the “offensive” content actually made “Jeremy” more dangerous and even irresponsible. “For 98 percent of people, it’s, ‘Oh, he shot them.’ And that’s just wrong. It’s just that the censorship made the meaning different than the real meaning,” Pellington maintained. “Later, real kids shot people and said, ‘I was inspired by ‘Jeremy.’”

    In Pellington’s view, that’s the real reason Pearl Jam turned so hard against music videos. “I’d also be like, ‘See? Videos are ****** up, man.’”

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    As for Pearl Jam, “Jeremy” marked a turning point in their engagement with the popular culture of the ’90s. The video put them at the center of public attention, which made them—particularly Vedder—extremely uncomfortable. It wasn’t just the attention, but rather the culture itself, that proved incompatible with the band. Pearl Jam was part of a wave of artists in the early ’90s—many of whom were musicians, though it was also expanding to film and literature—who were against the mainstream status quo. But the anger and rebellion that fueled their rise quickly metastasized into something altogether gross and untenable.

    Pearl Jam had helped to rapidly remake the culture. But the revolution no longer was theirs. Soon, they would look for a way out.

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    I like PJ enough, they are a good American band.

    The Best Pearl Jam Songs Of All Time, Ranked
    https://uproxx.com/indie/pearl-jam-best-songs-ranked/

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    "This made it unclear whether the frozen, blood-splattered faces of his classmates we see at the video’s end signify their horror over Jeremy’s death or their own deaths at Jeremy’s hand. MTV’s prohibition inadvertently changed “Jeremy” from a video about suicide to a video about a school shooting."

    Uh, no it didnt.

    The video that MTV aired clearly showed Jeremy putting the gun to his head.

    *Edit*- Furthermore the song is sung from a POV (Vedder) of someone who witnessed the suicide that day. Even more is the actual story from which the song comes from,

    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/je...TA6ZV5dWaOMCm8
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    PJ…. Man…. When I think of songs that put me back to a time and place that’s the main group that does it. Great band. Greatest? That’s all opinion and taste, any band that merits consideration is “there”, if you will. Love ‘em.

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    I have a confession. I've never really listened to:

    Yield
    Gigaton
    Lightning Bolt
    Backspacer
    Avocado Album
    Riot Act
    Binaural

    in any sort of reel to reel depth.

    That's seven albums. How tf could I hope to rate this band?

    I've also never actually listened to Vs. from end to end. I don't think. It's hard to explain, but I really bonded with Ten and by the time Vs. came out, I was sorta bitter that everyone else liked my band. I was the music junkie kid from Seattle who was in on the ground floor. They got popular and I was already looking for the next "ground-floor" art. I heard it a ton through osmosis though.

    And I was thinking they were maybe #1. Without ever listening to these.

    So a lot of my opinion should hinge on my impression of these albums.

    But it's weird to just pretend I love Pearl Jam like I did as a kid. It's been hella long since then. Not the same river.

    So it's all about my ability to do this combo thing: 1) objectively rate an album, and 2) see if there's some of that magic there.

    The more we do this, the more I realize this is an exercise in rubbing Aladdin's lamp. Is the magic still there?

    Ok, well, I'm doing it.

    I think Pearl Jam makes the best case of any band so far. I give them points for not imploding like Journey--Vedder gets props for standing against his band's commercialism--and points for not "selling out" like Metallica.

    The music isn't as strong as Steely Dan, but their run is much, much more compelling than Beach Boys or CCR.

    This is the best band so far, but I'm also not convinced this is a great American band. I'm not convinced any of these are great American bands. I think I might end up on Van Halen when it's all over.

    But for now, I like Pearl Jam.

    I'll break down the albums, I'm more impressed by PJ's full body of work than, say, Metallica's dubious post-Black Album content.

    But for now, I think my main complaint is Eddie Vedder's laconic bleeding-heart ethos. Which is nearly identical to my own, but that also bugs me.

    I sorta think they end up blending into the folk-indie fabric though. A sort of Neil Young for our generation.

    I don't think they did what the great bands do.

    The great bands put out albums of increasing, or, merely different, splendor--and make your jaw drop because they did not relent. Floyd, Beatles, Zep. So far Steely Dan is the only qualifier on the American side.

    Pearl Jam ain't far off. But it was two very fine albums followed by a series of many, many decent albums. They never had that "Beatles do acid" transcendence.
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    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    I put Vs. on and listened straight through for maybe the first time. Intentional. I remember my friend in college had Vs and played it on loop, I think I was exposed to it that way.

    But it was different somehow.

    Anyways, just wanted to report that after Ten and Vs., it's understandable not to exceed those marks. To shy from the intense pressure and want to maintain a non-commercial posture.

    Vs. is pretty close to as good as a 2nd album can be. It's on par with Led Zep in terms of epic 1-2.

    Veddie is my singer spirit animal. He evokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    I put Vs. on and listened straight through for maybe the first time. Intentional. I remember my friend in college had Vs and played it on loop, I think I was exposed to it that way.

    But it was different somehow.

    Anyways, just wanted to report that after Ten and Vs., it's understandable not to exceed those marks. To shy from the intense pressure and want to maintain a non-commercial posture.

    Vs. is pretty close to as good as a 2nd album can be. It's on par with Led Zep in terms of epic 1-2.

    Veddie is my singer spirit animal. He evokes.
    Would the greatest American band shy away from pressure and avoid the spotlight?

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    Would the greatest American band shy away from pressure and avoid the spotlight?
    Exactly. That's the conclusion I reached earlier.

    But...

    Is it not more admirable to double down on artistic integrity?

    I think that is what they did. They just didn't mirror the trajectory of a Led Zep through the first 4-7 albums. They didn't have the same juice.
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    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    PJ are a good band, but I feel like other than Ten and a handful of singles, they don't strike me as anything overly special. Perhaps you will find some treasure in their discog though.

    Rage probably has a better GAB case in terms of 90s rock bands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    PJ are a good band, but I feel like other than Ten and a handful of singles, they don't strike me as anything overly special. Perhaps you will find some treasure in their discog though.

    Rage probably has a better GAB case in terms of 90s rock bands.
    I'm with you on Rage. Another buddy made that case and I'm ok with it. My problem with Rage is they are sorta samey and Evil Empire was a meh album for me. I don't think their discog supports the case, personally.

    Pearl Jam is a complicated case, but so far the most interesting one. It's the one that makes me think the most.

    Personally, I don't think their songwriting chops are even remotely on the Beatles level, but I love their music. I love Vedder's emotive ability, that is very important. Music is almost always about connection, even with esoteric feelings.

    Pearl Jam isn't creative enough imo. They don't have that Pixies/VU/Talking Heads/Beatles/Zep/Soundgarden weirdness factor that makes a band legend. JMO.

    I have them as my #1 rn though, but will replace them with Van Halen, I suspect.
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    Welcome to week 8.

    I'm not done with PJ.

    The band is better than I expected, in a sort of fundamental way. I need more time to unpack.

    Journey is the only other band that is as close in terms of cohesion and musical chops.

    Metallica--musical chops are there (outside of Hetfield's voice imo), but the issue is thrash metal vs. troubadour type fare. (Steely Dan is beyond there, but they just aren't Jersey Shore enough. They are still niche despite being the best music.*)

    I need to figure out why I can't write them off. They are absolutely my choice of greatest American band right now, in my gut and not my head, and it seems sentimental or something. But I'm not so sure. They may actually be that good, and they may have the body of work to support the claim.

    *although Steely Dan is never naked, never raw. I'm holding that against them. Pearl Jam has approximately 50,000 live recordings and they are all legit. And naked.
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    I just gotta keep it funky: they're not as relevant as I would want a GOAT band to be.

    :runs away before the bullets fly:

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    I think maybe PJ is a top 15 band, but I understand Hawg's sentimental angle.

    If you take away sentimentality, your coming of age, etc, do they still make it to #1?

    I think they're one of the great American bands. But I don't think they're popular enough within our cultural lexicon in 2022 to be THE greatest American band. Has the average human being walking down the street heard of Pearl Jam?




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