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    Great match today and congrats to Argentina. Such an amazing game and WC.

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    I don't know about GOAT, but Messi is probably the best of this generation.

    It still rubs me the wrong way that he spent his whole career playing in two of the least competitive "big" leagues to play in, on stacked teams.

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    He took the easy way because that's what you need to do when you're that size. ESPN ran an article arguing he's the greatest male athlete ever. Messi doesn't even crack the top ten of NFL athletes. He's overrated. He's more Troy Aikman than he is Peyton Manning.

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    As a short king, you have been ordered to cease and desist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    As a short king, you have been ordered to cease and desist.
    As a Gentle King, I will do so, even though you've no authority to order me to do anything. <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    He took the easy way because that's what you need to do when you're that size. ESPN ran an article arguing he's the greatest male athlete ever. Messi doesn't even crack the top ten of NFL athletes. He's overrated. He's more Troy Aikman than he is Peyton Manning.
    Messi is a GOAT easily. I'm just not sure if he's THE goat, considering he only played in Spain (with only 1 team to compete with for the title) and France (zero teams to compete with for the title) while surrounded by the best players in the world. I always picked CR7 over Messi. I don't think international trophies signify GOAT. But Pele had 3 WC trophies.

    The shortlist is:

    Pele
    Maradona
    Ronaldo (Brazil)
    Ronaldo (Portugal)
    Messi

    It's probably between Messi and Maradona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    Messi is a GOAT easily. I'm just not sure if he's THE goat, considering he only played in Spain (with only 1 team to compete with for the title) and France (zero teams to compete with for the title) while surrounded by the best players in the world. I always picked CR7 over Messi. I don't think international trophies signify GOAT. But Pele had 3 WC trophies.

    The shortlist is:

    Pele
    Maradona
    Ronaldo (Brazil)
    Ronaldo (Portugal)
    Messi

    It's probably between Messi and Maradona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
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    Maradona did it all on his own, little talent surrounding him. He did it for his country and his continent. He was (and is!) a mythological figure. So it's gotta be him IMO. On paper, Messi is the GOAT...but this ain't about paper!



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    He's probably better than Messi. Was he tiny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    Was he tiny?
    You bet your ass.

    "Pelé scored more goals. Lionel Messi has won more trophies. Both have lived more stable lives than the overweight former cocaine addict who tops this list, whose relationship with football became increasingly strained the longer his career continued. If you've seen Diego Maradona with a football at his feet, you'll understand."

    — Andrew Murray on Maradona topping FourFourTwo magazine's "100 Greatest Footballers Ever" list, July 2017.[167]



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    Tiny athletes dominating a sport doesn't really speak well to how good the sport is.

    All I know is Ronaldo played against better competition and was a more complete player by all accounts. Plus he wasn't small, so he has to be better.

    Soccer's probably the easiest sport to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    Tiny athletes dominating a sport doesn't really speak well to how good the sport is.

    All I know is Ronaldo played against better competition and was a more complete player by all accounts. Plus he wasn't small, so he has to be better.

    Soccer's probably the easiest sport to understand.
    You sound like you'd be good at golf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    You sound like you'd be good at golf.
    I don't really like golf. I think it's more of a skill than a sport.

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