It should be noted that some diehard Nirvana fans thought Nirvana sold out with Nevermind. *food for thought*
It should be noted that some diehard Nirvana fans thought Nirvana sold out with Nevermind. *food for thought*
I think Metallica as a band were in their early to mid twenties when they wrote the black album and then Load so im not sure i would say they were old at that point. I think once the black album took off like it did they realized where the money market was and went from there. But other bands that had been playing at the same time as them, Testament, Exodus, Slayer, etc all kept playing like they used too even if they lost their way a bit in terms of sound in between. Even Megadeth has continued to play more aggressive music. I would have respected Hetfield more if he had just said he wanted to make money. Metal has never been the greatest way to make money and earn a living.
"sell out" is fine.
Just don't suck.
MJ's Thriller sold tf out. Hotel California. License to Ill.
Just don't suck.
Metallica didn't suck exactly, but they did when directly contrasted with what they had been to that point.
Their devotees looked to them for a certain intensity. That reckless, driven, white hot fury of Metallica.
They betrayed the expectations of their base. They renounced their citizenship and emigrated to the rich country.
What I'm struggling with is how to view them. As one band, or two bands with the same name.
Originally Posted by Sting
I'm struggling with how I feel.
Sometimes I feel excessively heavy handed and want to say 'nah, you can't do that and still be the greatest. You can't do this kind of weird, legacy-tainting bait and switch and not be dinged points.' I remember my roommate in pilot training, Christine, throwing on Fuel in her Suburban and cranking it. She ******* loved it. I was thinking to myself...'god I miss Metallica, I wish they didn't go away.'
But then, like right now, I look at the first four and change (Kill 'Em All, Ride, Master, Justice, Garage EP, Am I Evil & Blitzkrieg).
It's 38 songs. That alone is enough for a legacy for most bands.
Ok. Then you sorta *must* put Enter Sandman and Nothing Else Matters into the mix. It's fantasy to not do that. Man, I have some mixed feels on Nothing Else Matters. I'm playing it right now. It's definitely not a bad song. It's got that sort of Seger vibe that's tolerable. But it's like admiring how pretty your ex-girlfriend is when you see her on the arm of that douchey shallow popular dude.
And I'm even starting to lukewarm up to some of the post-Justice stuff.
The Garage, Inc. cover album--honestly never heard it until right now. If they did this right after Justice, man...I think it would slot into their legacy in a positive way. There are some highlights imo. Die, Die My Darling is a banger. Tuesday's Gone is kinda nice too. The Beatles did covers too!
I'm kinda curious about this Lulu album collab with Lou Reed. I listened to one song (Mistress Dread) and it was weirdly compelling. Idk. There might be something here. I'm going to have to listen to that album a time or two, it's...do I hate it?
I like these post-Justice songs....
Unforgiven (I can imagine this song on Justice, is that wrong?)
Whiskey in The Jar
Frantic & St. Anger, although it's Korntallica. That's OK! I get the phony vibe North used to describe it, but I like these two songs ok enough.
The Day That Never Comes (decent song, but what about that Band of Horses intro?)
The Hardwired stuff is 30 years late, but better than never! Absolute bangers:
Spit Out the Bone
Moth Into Flame
Some of the S&M stuff is worthy.
If you rolled all the great post-Justice stuff into one big album, maybe that's how to approach it.
Last edited by Hawgdriver; 11-14-2022 at 03:07 PM.
Originally Posted by Sting
Metallica sold out on the Black Album.
They were my small-town hot af girlfriend that got into that limo with the douchey rich guy.
Is she still hot af?
Of course. Yeah, she dresses all classy and shit now; she was a dream in denim; these semicolons are for abe.
Do I put X's in her eyes in all of her photos?
Yes, I do.
Last edited by Hawgdriver; 11-14-2022 at 01:34 PM.
Originally Posted by Sting
What's more American than taking something fertile, ravaging it through avarice, and pissing off the natives!!??
Originally Posted by Sting
I think you must try and separate your personal offense taken to the sell-out stuff and then you will be able to see the light that Metallica is definitely top 10, for sure top 5.
If they didn't "sell out" they would be a niche metal band. They would be the Pixies. Great band, great legacy, but not popular enough to be the greatest. Whether you like the work post-sell out or not, it for sure sold and made them a lot of fans of people who say things like "I don't listen to metal...but I dig Metallica." That's no small feat!
Selling your integrity as a band for profit does not make you the greatest anything....
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