Thread: Russell Wilson to the Broncos

Originally Posted by Davii

No. There have been plenty of people pursued and hired for head coaching gigs that fell flat on their ass. They know he's been a good coordinator, schemed up some good plays throughout his time and put his players in position to succeed. They know he was successful under other's leadership and with others calling the shots. They don't have any idea the level of success he will see as a HC any more than you or I do.

A HC is more than Xs and Os, ask Chip Kelly, ask Buddy Ryan, ask Eric Mangini, ask Wade Phillips, Mike Tice, Marty Mornhinweg, etc. etc. etc. A HC needs to be a leader to the team, a coach to his coaches, a confidant and challenger to the GM, and at times a confidant or even counselor. Simply being a good or even amazing coordinator doesn't mean you have what it takes.

Can Josh have grown? Sure... but my experience tells me it's unlikely that he's grown in the manner he needs to. He may have grown as a manager, he may adjust his style with people, how he approaches practices, etc. but has he grown as a person, a man, and a leader?

I don't know, but I know that personal growth in things like that aren't as easy to achieve as professional growth and most times people aren't even willing to accept there is growth or change needed in those areas.

I get that this is a message board and the point of it is to give opinions, but these feel like very strong opinions on the personality and maturity level of a guy you've never met. Maybe you're totally right, but these are pretty heavy opinions to base on shit that happened over a decade ago.

I wouldn't be shocked whatsoever if the raiders got a better coach than us and won a title before us. They aren't a team that's far away. A meathead special teams interim coach got them to the playoffs last year and in a tight first round game with the eventual AFC champ. If MCD has even slightly grown from his time in Denver, a lot of words might be eaten very soon.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

these are pretty heavy opinions to base on shit that happened over a decade ago.

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that he douched out on his gig with Indy? Didn't that seem like a douche move? That's being super cavalier with your word. It seems like that doesn't matter to him.

Idk man. He's shown a ton of douche indicators.

You think it's all just a bad rap?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that he douched out on his gig with Indy? Didn't that seem like a douche move? That's being super cavalier with your word. It seems like that doesn't matter to him.

Idk man. He's shown a ton of douche indicators.

You think it's all just a bad rap?

He’s definitely a ******** coach. Smart guy but no honor at all.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Don't you think that the fact that NFL teams were still pursing this guy as a head coach despite what he did to Indy is an indication that NFL teams know something about him that the public doesn't?

Oh I dunno, the fact that teams gave guys like Pat Shurmur and Adam Gase multiple opportunities even though they’d failed so hard in previous ones leads me to believe that the guys calling the shots on hiring might be billionaires, but some aren’t any smarter than anyone else. Just because you can interview well, doesn’t mean you’re going to be good at the job.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Wasn't it just a couple of years ago that he douched out on his gig with Indy? Didn't that seem like a douche move? That's being super cavalier with your word. It seems like that doesn't matter to him.

Idk man. He's shown a ton of douche indicators.

You think it's all just a bad rap?

The Indy thing was bad. I thought that would make him toxic and unhirable ever again. But obviously NFL teams still see something in him worth taking that risk again. But I know it's easier to just be a scorned lover and assume only bad things will happen to him ever again.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

The Indy thing was bad. I thought that would make him toxic and unhirable ever again. But obviously NFL teams still see something in him worth taking that risk again. But I know it's easier to just be a scorned lover and assume only bad things will happen to him ever again.

He's shown success as a coordinator, it's not magical what you need to do to get a shot in the NFL. Be successful at your current role with a winning organization. Is that the right formula? Who knows. If Mr. Davis' son was so good at picking coaches he would've already won a SB...

Nothing makes someone unhireable in the NFL except obvious racism. Even if McD is TERRIBLE (which he won't be THAT bad) he will still get another shot if he goes back to BB and is a good coordinator on a winning team for a few years.

And no, it's not just one thing many many years ago... It's a sustained pattern of behavior from when he was here, how he acted, how he ran things, stories from players, how he treated Indy, and stories from former players in NE, etc. There has been more rumblings about him being a douche on a regular basis than just what he did here in Denver. Hell, there was even a lot of speculation that McD was a big part of why Brady moved on, speculation sure, but also somewhat believable based on past facts.

I expect Wilson to have at least a 5 touchdown game against the Seahawks. 48-17 Broncos.

Originally Posted by Nomad

I expect Wilson to have at least a 5 touchdown game against the Seahawks. 48-17 Broncos.

God I hope so. Flight leaves in 6 hours!!!

Originally Posted by Davii

He's shown success as a coordinator, it's not magical what you need to do to get a shot in the NFL. Be successful at your current role with a winning organization. Is that the right formula? Who knows. If Mr. Davis' son was so good at picking coaches he would've already won a SB...

Nothing makes someone unhireable in the NFL except obvious racism. Even if McD is TERRIBLE (which he won't be THAT bad) he will still get another shot if he goes back to BB and is a good coordinator on a winning team for a few years.

And no, it's not just one thing many many years ago... It's a sustained pattern of behavior from when he was here, how he acted, how he ran things, stories from players, how he treated Indy, and stories from former players in NE, etc. There has been more rumblings about him being a douche on a regular basis than just what he did here in Denver. Hell, there was even a lot of speculation that McD was a big part of why Brady moved on, speculation sure, but also somewhat believable based on past facts.

I still have nightmares of us having to live through Kyle orton over jay cutler man! Cutler would have been successful in Denver.! I believe he was primed to take the next step in his development and ida liked if we’d a fired shanny but still had somebody who runs a form of his offense so it wouldn’t throw off his development. But McDaniels coming here and the first thing he does is shit on our franchise quarterback and then actually trade him was the most disrespectful thing I ever seen from a head coach. Like outta all the problems we had on the team especially defense you go and ruin the damn offense. Can you imagine how much better cutler to b marsh and company was finna get? Smh but oh well time to kick his ass While he’s in Vegas with the opps

Originally Posted by Nomad

I expect Wilson to have at least a 5 touchdown game against the Seahawks. 48-17 Broncos.

We’re on the same page for sure. I was thinking a 50 burger being put on them but 48 is close enough. Seattle will be punting the hall allllllllll day imo giving Wilson the ball alllllllll ray and I believe we’ll take advantage of that running the ball wearing them down and quarters 2-4 we start hitting them with the play action off the successful running of the ball! Wilson is going to feast with chunk play after chunk plays we already know he has the best most accurate deep
Ball in the entire league!!!!! Just facts )

Going the other direction, although I would gladly be wrong here.

I expect a slow start from this team.

17-13 Seattle at home.

Originally Posted by Davii

No. There have been plenty of people pursued and hired for head coaching gigs that fell flat on their ass. They know he's been a good coordinator, schemed up some good plays throughout his time and put his players in position to succeed. They know he was successful under other's leadership and with others calling the shots. They don't have any idea the level of success he will see as a HC any more than you or I do.

A HC is more than Xs and Os, ask Chip Kelly, ask Buddy Ryan, ask Eric Mangini, ask Wade Phillips, Mike Tice, Marty Mornhinweg, etc. etc. etc. A HC needs to be a leader to the team, a coach to his coaches, a confidant and challenger to the GM, and at times a confidant or even counselor. Simply being a good or even amazing coordinator doesn't mean you have what it takes.

Can Josh have grown? Sure... but my experience tells me it's unlikely that he's grown in the manner he needs to. He may have grown as a manager, he may adjust his style with people, how he approaches practices, etc. but has he grown as a person, a man, and a leader?

I don't know, but I know that personal growth in things like that aren't as easy to achieve as professional growth and most times people aren't even willing to accept there is growth or change needed in those areas.

I fully agree with most of this, but for some reason I feel like McDaniels has grown in the areas you've questioned. I don't know why I feel this way, but I do.

Originally Posted by Davii

Wouldn't surprise me either. I wouldn't be the least bit shocked to see them win 10 games, fall short of the playoffs, and then regress each year until he's canned. Success isn't one season, they can make the playoffs and I still wouldn't consider McD successful coach. Sustained superior performance is the key. Stacking winning seasons, playoff berths, etc. One season means jack shit, especially when the team is 75% someone else's handiwork.

And yes, I say the same for Hackett. This SEASON can be a success for sure, but I won't call Hackett a successful coach until we've seen how it plays out over a few years or more.

Agreed fully.

Originally Posted by Davii

God I hope so. Flight leaves in 6 hours!!!

Safe travels brother! I'll be driving up to Denver Sunday, but obviously will be watching the game on TV.

Originally Posted by SR

I fully agree with most of this, but for some reason I feel like McDaniels has grown in the areas you've questioned. I don't know why I feel this way, but I do.

I don't know, man. It's possible, but I really think it's unlikely. Mainly because A) Indy wasn't that long ago and B) it takes some serious consequences to have that sort of self reflection in one's life. What consequences really befell him? Sure, we fired him, but he still got paid his salary the next year, was a paid member of the Pats staff in the playoffs, had a job almost immediately with the Rams, and wound up as the OC back at the Pats right after the Rams fired Spags.