Thread: Broncos future success tied to Ellis departure

Originally Posted by Jaded

It’s also possible you’ve dug your heels in on the wrong side of history … again.

I know Ellis is no party planner, but...

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I think he's fulfilled his obligation as fiduciary quite well, and also honored Pat's memory and served him faithfully. It's a no-win position for him, and I respect what he's done.

Yep, that's as I see it as well.

Originally Posted by Tned

I know Ellis is no party planner, but...

Right, he comes from a long line of politians.

I like how you say this like it’s supposed to be a zinger, it’s adorable.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Right, he comes from a long line of politians.

I like how you say this like it’s supposed to be a zinger, it’s adorable.

OK, now I get your hate for him. Just clicked.

Anyway, now that I get the basis for the hate, I get why it's never been possible to have a rationale discussion about it.

Point of fact, I didn’t know Beth Bowlen was a party planner, didn’t care enough to research, and I have absolutely nothing against Brittney (other than lack of financial wherewithal) … I just read what Bowlen set forth as criteria for one of his kids to take over and watched your politicians turn this into front page news as Beth demonstrated her qualifications.

I don’t know Ellis reasons and motivations and I don’t care … this was disgusting bullshit and good riddance to all those involved.

Originally Posted by Tned

OK, now I get your hate for him. Just clicked.

Anyway, now that I get the basis for the hate, I get why it's never been possible to have a rationale discussion about it.

Rational discussion? I know where to find those when the mood strikes, if I don’t have rational discussions with you I’m either not in the mood or know better.

I'm not sure calling someone who has never held office a politician is the most convincing argument. Not saying he doesn't remind me of one either, but people say that shit about me when I equivocate but sometimes keeping the peace is fine. That is his main job, after all.

I'm happy to see the organization move forward. I've been one of the more outspoken on this matter over the years, and I've been so from the start. I think you have as well, or maybe just that you don't like Ellis, not sure. Not that I'm right, or that you are, but just sayin' I'm very happy to see a transition.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Weird to think how different things might be had we hired Kyle or even brought back Mike. I mean, it probably would still be a mess, but maybe not? Hell even not losing Kubiak might've been a whole different deal. If I remember he left because we were going to fire his staff and he was loyal to them.

Kyle has been over rated and kubes was mediocre with a pathetic staff he refused to change. Idk how he’s any different than fangio who did the same shit with shurmer and the ST coach

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'm not sure calling someone who has never held office a politician is the most convincing argument. Not saying he doesn't remind me of one either, but people say that shit about me when I equivocate but sometimes keeping the peace is fine. That is his main job, after all.

I'm happy to see the organization move forward. I've been one of the more outspoken on this matter over the years, and I've been so from the start. I think you have as well, or maybe just that you don't like Ellis, not sure. Not that I'm right, or that you are, but just sayin' I'm very happy to see a transition.

Im not making an argument as much as I’m actively shitting on a politician. I have never mistaken you for a politician.

Senator Hawgdriver is out of order!

To the GULAG!

Originally Posted by Tned

I know Ellis is no party planner, but...

No but he is responsible for the downfall of the franchise. he is a douche through hand through and Denver will be better off without him, just Remember we could have had Kyle instead of VJ and his shit if it wasn't for him, that alone should have Denver fans chanting his way out the door.

Originally Posted by Jeudy10Hamler1

Kyle has been over rated and kubes was mediocre with a pathetic staff he refused to change. Idk how he’s any different than fangio who did the same shit with shurmer and the ST coach

How has Kyle been overrated this is just a horrible take. Kubes refusing to change that's fair, that's what got shanny sr fired as well. Shanny Jr though is a very good coach who can pull miracles out of his hat. we could have done wonders here with him. he would have made lock into something for sure.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Im not making an argument as much as I’m actively shitting on a politician. I have never mistaken you for a politician.

yep Ellis plays politics with the best of them, he loves his power and money and until the NFL pulled his card he would have carried on with his schtick for as long as he could. even the NFL saw through Ellis they want him out of the circle despite his politicking to try and stay in said circle while circumventing for as long as he could. Dude is a hack and Denver will be blessed to have him out of the leadership structure.