Thread: Educate me on the New HC options. Who do we want and why?

Originally Posted by King87

About what? I've been getting trolled all ******* day dipshits who treat the other games thread as a smack thread/make me the topic of the thread, so tread carefully. I can only put so many people on ignore.

I think he is just busting your balls. Chazoe was definitely trolling you though but i dont think even he means any harm in it.

Originally Posted by Northman

I think he is just busting your balls. Chazoe was definitely trolling you though but i dont think even he means any harm in it.

No more half measures!

Dogfish wants to go to war with King! He's been uppity all day.

Originally Posted by dogfish

he was a pro starter, but he otherwise has the same qualities that have translated to great head coaching success in guys like gary kubiak, doug pederson, frank reich, and more. . . guys who were high quality backup / spot starter QBs in the league. . . they tend to be smart, low ego guys who still have some low key swag-- the dudes who were able to come off the bench and play well because they were really cerebral, well-prepared and detail oriented, with a solid dose of confidence and leadership skills. . .

in regards to the OP, i want pederson-- he's one of my favorite coaches in the league, and it's an absolute crime that lurie fired him to keep that dopey GM roseman. . . dude is a super bowl winner, and a super creative offensive mind who learned under the master, andy reid. . . he also has gigantic brass balls, and is the definition of aggressive-- he helped usher in the current analytics-based trend of going for it on 4th down (and going for 2 in early game situations). . . more so, he's the dude who beat the belly / brady patsies in a super bowl with nick freaking foles, and he did it by doing shit like going for it on 4th and goal, and having the audacity to run a direct snap to the RB / reverse to the TE / TE pass to the QB play. . . he showed that he knows how to manage a young QB's development and win during the process. . . he also showed that he knows how to put together a tremendous staff, and give them room to shine. . . when a guy like that fets fired for missing the playoffs ONE YEAR, you know something was rotten in denmark. . .

my other favorites are brian daboll, and kellen moore. . . i also like leftwich, and would be fine with hackett. . .

i absolutely do not want dan quinn, or any other DC for that matter. . . if you want a defensive-minded HC, you already had arguably the best defensive mind currently in the game. . . and defense hasn't been a problem here since mcdaniels was the HC. . . how much of an upgrade does a guy like quinn offer? he's going to be better at using timeouts? he's going to hire a better OC-- who will then leave in a year or two anyway? you could have just gotten vic a new OC and a clock management coach. . . i want the new HC to bring his offensive scheme, playbook and terminology with him-- we desperately need some stability on that side of the ball, especially if we end up having to go with a rookie QB. . .

This is a fine post! Pederson it is!

My question is did he draft Jalen hurts? If so, that assures Watson or Willis will be a bronco to me.

Originally Posted by dogfish

in regards to the OP, i want pederson-- he's one of my favorite coaches in the league, and it's an absolute crime that lurie fired him to keep that dopey GM roseman. . . dude is a super bowl winner, and a super creative offensive mind who learned under the master, andy reid. . . he also has gigantic brass balls, and is the definition of aggressive-- he helped usher in the current analytics-based trend of going for it on 4th down (and going for 2 in early game situations). . . more so, he's the dude who beat the belly / brady patsies in a super bowl with nick freaking foles, and he did it by doing shit like going for it on 4th and goal, and having the audacity to run a direct snap to the RB / reverse to the TE / TE pass to the QB play. . . he showed that he knows how to manage a young QB's development and win during the process. . . he also showed that he knows how to put together a tremendous staff, and give them room to shine. . . when a guy like that fets fired for missing the playoffs ONE YEAR, you know something was rotten in denmark. . .

Worth noting here that a lot of things you’re crediting Pederson with had a lot to do with Reich, and the quality of play there declined notably the next year when Reich left for Indy. Maybe that’s a coincidence, but I know there was a lot of speculation in Philly that Reich may have been the brains behind that offense.

Originally Posted by underrated29

This is a fine post! Pederson it is!

My question is did he draft Jalen hurts? If so, that assures Watson or Willis will be a bronco to me.

What makes you a big fan of Willis? I’ve never watched him play. From what I understand, he couldn’t win the starting position at Auburn so he transferred to Liberty.

Originally Posted by dogfish

he was a pro starter, but he otherwise has the same qualities that have translated to great head coaching success in guys like gary kubiak, doug pederson, frank reich, and more. . . guys who were high quality backup / spot starter QBs in the league. . . they tend to be smart, low ego guys who still have some low key swag-- the dudes who were able to come off the bench and play well because they were really cerebral, well-prepared and detail oriented, with a solid dose of confidence and leadership skills. . .

in regards to the OP, i want pederson-- he's one of my favorite coaches in the league, and it's an absolute crime that lurie fired him to keep that dopey GM roseman. . . dude is a super bowl winner, and a super creative offensive mind who learned under the master, andy reid. . . he also has gigantic brass balls, and is the definition of aggressive-- he helped usher in the current analytics-based trend of going for it on 4th down (and going for 2 in early game situations). . . more so, he's the dude who beat the belly / brady patsies in a super bowl with nick freaking foles, and he did it by doing shit like going for it on 4th and goal, and having the audacity to run a direct snap to the RB / reverse to the TE / TE pass to the QB play. . . he showed that he knows how to manage a young QB's development and win during the process. . . he also showed that he knows how to put together a tremendous staff, and give them room to shine. . . when a guy like that fets fired for missing the playoffs ONE YEAR, you know something was rotten in denmark. . .

my other favorites are brian daboll, and kellen moore. . . i also like leftwich, and would be fine with hackett. . .

i absolutely do not want dan quinn, or any other DC for that matter. . . if you want a defensive-minded HC, you already had arguably the best defensive mind currently in the game. . . and defense hasn't been a problem here since mcdaniels was the HC. . . how much of an upgrade does a guy like quinn offer? he's going to be better at using timeouts? he's going to hire a better OC-- who will then leave in a year or two anyway? you could have just gotten vic a new OC and a clock management coach. . . i want the new HC to bring his offensive scheme, playbook and terminology with him-- we desperately need some stability on that side of the ball, especially if we end up having to go with a rookie QB. . .

/cosign all of this.

It HAS to be an offensive mind. Even if you look around the league, the majority of successful teams are headed up by offensive guys. Denver's own history is also filled with successful offensive coaches. Yes, they whiffed on McDaniels, but the only reason they succeeded after that was because they brought in Peyton to be the on-field OC.

You can't count on a defensive guy bringing an offensive genius with him. It rarely works like that unless you're going with a young defensive HC who has genius buddies and they all wanna be great together. Denver's list of potential defensive guys doesn't look like that.

So get the offensive guy. I would do Pederson as well, but he may not come here with the ownership issues and the lack of a QB. Maybe if they give him a long enough contract.

But no more DCs for the head coaching job, please. Get me someone who can do something with all the supposed talent Denver has on the offensive side of the ball, and who knows a guy for the defensive side.

Originally Posted by Mozzafiato

Worth noting here that a lot of things you’re crediting Pederson with had a lot to do with Reich, and the quality of play there declined notably the next year when Reich left for Indy. Maybe that’s a coincidence, but I know there was a lot of speculation in Philly that Reich may have been the brains behind that offense.

Well, Reich just got his ass handed to him by Jax today so im not sure how much credit Reich should get with anything. IMO

Originally Posted by G_Money

/cosign all of this.

It HAS to be an offensive mind. Even if you look around the league, the majority of successful teams are headed up by offensive guys. Denver's own history is also filled with successful offensive coaches. Yes, they whiffed on McDaniels, but the only reason they succeeded after that was because they brought in Peyton to be the on-field OC.

You can't count on a defensive guy bringing an offensive genius with him. It rarely works like that unless you're going with a young defensive HC who has genius buddies and they all wanna be great together. Denver's list of potential defensive guys doesn't look like that.

So get the offensive guy. I would do Pederson as well, but he may not come here with the ownership issues and the lack of a QB. Maybe if they give him a long enough contract.

But no more DCs for the head coaching job, please. Get me someone who can do something with all the supposed talent Denver has on the offensive side of the ball, and who knows a guy for the defensive side.

HOLY SHIT! A GMONEY MOMENT! Sup brother!

LOL hey North. The Broncos are not inspiring me to do anything but follow other sports, man, but it's the offseason now and the ugly-ass football is over, so I'm free to come around again and dream of better things ahead. Good to see you!

Good to see the Money.

Originally Posted by underrated29

This is a fine post! Pederson it is!

My question is did he draft Jalen hurts? If so, that assures Watson or Willis will be a bronco to me.

GM howie roseman drafted hurts. . . i don't know if doug signed off on him or not, but an athletic QB certainly fits the scheme-- see wentz, and mahomes. . . but they also succeeded with foles. . . the scheme has been heavily modified, but it's still west coast at heart. . . he wants a smart, mobile passer, just like everyone else besides belichick these days. . .

Originally Posted by Mozzafiato

Worth noting here that a lot of things you’re crediting Pederson with had a lot to do with Reich, and the quality of play there declined notably the next year when Reich left for Indy. Maybe that’s a coincidence, but I know there was a lot of speculation in Philly that Reich may have been the brains behind that offense.

i have been driving the reich bandwagon for years-- i BADLY wanted denver to can VJ and hire him before the colts broke my heart. . . but hey, who was better, belly or parcells? you can have more than one smart guy on a staff. . . also, philly got bit by salary cap, age and injuries, as well as reich's departure. . . worst case scenario, doug was smart enough to hire frank-- and jim schwartz, and other quality coaches. . . i'll take my chances on him doing so again over dan quinn. . . give credit where it's due, he did make a tremendous hire in mini-shanny. . . he also followed him up with steve freaking sarkisian, and dirk koetter. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

GM howie roseman drafted hurts. . . i don't know if doug signed off on him or not, but an athletic QB certainly fits the scheme-- see wentz, and mahomes. . . but they also succeeded with foles. . . the scheme has been heavily modified, but it's still west coast at heart. . . he wants a smart, mobile passer, just like everyone else besides belichick these days. . .




i have been driving the reich bandwagon for years-- i BADLY wanted denver to can VJ and hire him before the colts broke my heart. . . but hey, who was better, belly or parcells? you can have more than one smart guyon a staff. . . also, philly got bit by salary cap, age and injuries, as well as reich's departure. . . worst case scenario, doug was smart enough to hire frank-- and jim schwartz, and other quality coaches. . . i'll take my chances on him doing so again over dan quinn. . . give credit where it's due, he did make a tremendous hire in mini-shanny. . . he also followed him up with steve freaking sarkisian, and dirk koetter. . .

We could write a book about Philly. )=

Originally Posted by G_Money

/cosign all of this.

It HAS to be an offensive mind. Even if you look around the league, the majority of successful teams are headed up by offensive guys. Denver's own history is also filled with successful offensive coaches. Yes, they whiffed on McDaniels, but the only reason they succeeded after that was because they brought in Peyton to be the on-field OC.

You can't count on a defensive guy bringing an offensive genius with him. It rarely works like that unless you're going with a young defensive HC who has genius buddies and they all wanna be great together. Denver's list of potential defensive guys doesn't look like that.

So get the offensive guy. I would do Pederson as well, but he may not come here with the ownership issues and the lack of a QB. Maybe if they give him a long enough contract.

But no more DCs for the head coaching job, please. Get me someone who can do something with all the supposed talent Denver has on the offensive side of the ball, and who knows a guy for the defensive side.

always good to see ya, G. . . and yeah, i don't necessarily think pederson is likely to be the guy. . . sadly, i think quinn is more probable-- he's certainly more predictable. . .


so was vic starting teddy once he had the chance, and we saw how that went. . .

#MiseryPorn aside, my dream staff would look something like this. . .

HC - doug pederson
OC - joe brady
asst HC/QBs - press taylor
DC - sean desai (hat tip to jaded)
asst HC/DBs - ed donatell

i would also love to keep position coaches like munchak, azzani, modkins, and kollar-- they've all proven their value when it comes to developing young talent, they haven't been the problem here. . . i would love to maintain some continuity on the defensive side while completely re-tooling the offense, and we already have the personnel to run the fangio scheme. . . you can easily replace pederson with a guy like daboll or moore and go the same direction. . .

Originally Posted by King87

We could write a book about Philly. )=

they took JJ arcega whiteside with DK metcalf still on the board, then followed it up by taking jalen reagor one pick ahead of justin jefferson. . . i wouldn't call pederson the problem there. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

they took JJ arcega whiteside with DK metcalf still on the board, then followed it up by taking jalen reagor one pick ahead of justin jefferson. . . i wouldn't call pederson the problem there. . .

Sprinkle in the injury bug and bad luck, and you get Philly. BUt, meh.