Thread: Evans "Pat Shurmur wants drew lock to fail"

Originally Posted by Jaded

Not necessarily, I’d get into specifics and nuances but that’s frowned upon in this establishment.

He didn’t win league MVP inside 18 games, he’s a bust, stupid, lazy and probably a pedophile who kicks puppies.

#BeMoreDramatic

How about footwork?

Originally Posted by Jaded

Think about it this way, JFE would be considered dogshit by modern Broncos fans calculations.

JFE would have grown up playing in modern offensive systems and wouldn't put up the same kinds of numbers he did almost 40 years ago if he were 25 today.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

JFE would have grown up playing in modern offensive systems and wouldn't put up the same kinds of numbers he did almost 40 years ago if he were 25 today.

No, young one, what I’m referring to is the fact that JFE was statistically the worst QB in the league after his first 18 games.

Originally Posted by Jaded

No, young one, what I’m referring to is the fact that JFE was statistically the worst QB in the league after his first 18 games.

And as I'll say again and again and again, he was a high draft pick, and those guys get more leeway and time, because they are deemed to have the talent in potential to improve. Second rounders don't get that. You either have to show immediately you were drafted too low (Dak, Wilson), or you're gone. That's how it works.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

How about footwork?

Depended on the protection, he reverted back to bad habits when he felt the rush but made a pronounced improvement otherwise. Granted, it was a small sample and the odds of that continuing to improve and become second nature were against him.

Most QB’s revert to muscle memory under live bullets, if that were the discussion I’d be down with that … but we’re resorting to absolutes instead.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

And as I'll say again and again and again, he was a high draft pick, and those guys get more leeway and time, because they are deemed to have the talent in potential to improve. Second rounders don't get that. You either have to show immediately you were drafted too low (Dak, Wilson), or you're gone. That's how it works.

Not saying there’s no such dynamic with in the NFL, there clearly is and it’s clearly stupid and counterproductive.

But I'm not referring to those within the NFL, I’m referring to you, JFE through 18 games is dogshit according to your expectations.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Depended on the protection, he reverted back to bad habits when he felt the rush but made a pronounced improvement otherwise. Granted, it was a small sample and the odds of that continuing to improve and become second nature were against him.

Most QB’s revert to muscle memory under live bullets, if that were the discussion I’d be down with that … but we’re resorting to absolutes instead.

Can’t read defenses, can’t get through progressions, doesn’t know where the pass rush is coming from.

These absolutes Are utter bullshit, you can’t start at the high school level if you can’t do these things.

Originally Posted by Jaded

No, young one, what I’m referring to is the fact that JFE was statistically the worst QB in the league after his first 18 games.

It doesn’t matter I can almost go word for word on the responses to that and it’s fine that elway is as terrible and the worst at his position because he was a first round pick so he gets more rope…… even though that logic is flawed IMO because of the scouting report that said the kid was a project and teams need to show patience because lock is as a guy that needed to sit Atleast 2 years and just learn the game, master the playbook, study defense’s….. but all because he shined at the end of the season it’s like the broncos organization and fa base went batshit crazy and expectations was all of a sudden Super Bowl when that was unfair.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Since the Lock thread got "locked", I'm going to put this here. Brady just said on the Manning cast what I've been saying for a while as to why covid actually made it easier than ever to play QB, not harder like the excuses for Lock have said: not having to deal with crowd noise on the road. Brady said people really underrate how much harder crowd noise makes it to play QB on the road, and the lack of crowds made it so much easier for him in leaning a new system and adapting to a new team last year.

Straight from the mouth of the goat. I don't ever want to hear again how much harder covid made it on poor little Drew.

lol you just compared brady and Lock get the f out.....of course brady had it easier he is the GOAT.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Yes. Still not one single person has been able to provide a single example of even one second round or later QB who was as bad as Lock to start their career and got more than 18 games to start.

What 2nd rd Qb had covid to deal with and a new system again after going 4-1 in his first set of games. Name one......

Lol literally tons of football people far more savvy and experienced then members on this board throughout the NFL said drew looked good all off-season and in camp. Local guys said he was inconsistent a bunch in 7v7 though so curtain call it is lol.....Fangio went with what he determined to be the safer vet option, he didn't realize his OC pick was gonna f that up to, and that teddy was going to be what he always is. He was like a typical Denver fan in that mold, bring in trash and because its Denver it will become treasure.....Despite showing the opposite for years......

Also I like the dog topic better FWIW

How can people not see its Shurmur, Teddy is literally regressing to Drew lock quality play last year under him as we speak weekly. Its identical to last year for Lock. What's the common variables. OL, play calling, Shurmur, WR issues etc......

Originally Posted by Jaded

Depended on the protection, he reverted back to bad habits when he felt the rush but made a pronounced improvement otherwise. Granted, it was a small sample and the odds of that continuing to improve and become second nature were against him.

Most QB’s revert to muscle memory under live bullets, if that were the discussion I’d be down with that … but we’re resorting to absolutes instead.

You are absolutely 100% correct.

Lock is a very simple QB to evaluate. When he's protected, he can and does any throw in the book. From the most difficult throws like deep digs, deep corner routes, deep outs, intermediate back shoulder throws - he's made all of these throws and makes them look easy.

How can a bust/terrible QB do that? It's simple, right now, Lock is a talented thrower of the ball - he's not a talented QB. Derek Carr to Ryan Tannehill routinely looked like dogsh*t early in their careers against pressure. That's normal - that's what is supposed to happen.

Instead of improving a lousy OL we drafted a bunch of luxury picks, and made lateral moves in free agency.

I'm not saying this because I'm a Lock homer, I'm saying this because the same damn thing willy apply to the next young QB we draft. Build a real OL and you get the best out of any QB you have until he learns to read/recognize pressure and protection schemes.

Originally Posted by Helios

You are absolutely 100% correct.

Lock is a very simple QB to evaluate. When he's protected, he can and does any throw in the book. From the most difficult throws like deep digs, deep corner routes, deep outs, intermediate back shoulder throws - he's made all of these throws and makes them look easy.

How can a bust/terrible QB do that? It's simple, right now, Lock is a talented thrower of the ball - he's not a talented QB. Derek Carr to Ryan Tannehill routinely looked like dogsh*t early in their careers against pressure. That's normal - that's what is supposed to happen.

Instead of improving a lousy OL we drafted a bunch of luxury picks, and made lateral moves in free agency.

I'm not saying this because I'm a Lock homer, I'm saying this because the same damn thing willy apply to the next young QB we draft. Build a real OL and you get the best out of any QB you have until he learns to read/recognize pressure and protection schemes.

I have continued to be a huge critic of the OL. I think every starter we have is a problem and need to be upgraded at the moment, and we constantly try to use Fant to block guys like TJ watt......If you improve our OL, Playcalling and OC, both lock and Teddy would perform much better IMO.....