....except I am not trying to make a case that anything KC did is better or worse than Denver....that's something you implied or wanted to bring to this discussion. My point is, and continues to be, I want Denver to barely make the playoffs and lose...consistantly over a decade or longer. You can compare that to Chiefs eras, or you can assign it some number value and atribute (or not) whatever level of success or failure that you want....I'll agree with whatever number you want to put on it, and I'll agree that it's wildly successful, mildly successful, unsuccessful....whatever nomenclature you want...I'm all for it....I just want it to happen as I've laid it out.