Thread: 2022 QBs

Originally Posted by King87

I was talking more in general about Ridder overall in the draft and hypotheticals J-Ham. If I didn't make that clear, or relied too much on context, I apologize.

You made it clear and yes both could be right, plenty of NFL sources have been wrong about other Qb's as well. Hence why I said the off-season will make or break some of these kids. Denver is pretty much f'ed out of getting Pickett unless we get the Jags 1st overall. Campbell is going to fall in love with Pickett and want him in Detroit. That leaves Corral, Willis, Howell apparently as 1st rounders in our range and that's scary because Houston, Giants, Panthers, Atlanta all need Qb's as well and draft before us. Its entirely possible that the play would be a guy like ridder or strong simply because the guy Paton wants is off the board at 9.

If that happens were no doubt going to bring in some scrub and have Lock or maybe a 2nd rd rookie as our Qb room. Which puts us right back where we were. If I'm Paton I'm moving to pick 1 or pick 4 if I have interest in this QB class.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

You made it clear and yes both could be right, plenty of NFL sources have been wrong about other Qb's as well. Hence why I said the off-season will make or break some of these kids. Denver is pretty much f'ed out of getting Pickett unless we get the Jags 1st overall. Campbell is going to fall in love with Pickett and want him in Detroit. That leaves Corral, Willis, Howell apparently as 1st rounders in our range and that's scary because Houston, Giants, Panthers, Atlanta all need Qb's as well and draft before us. Its entirely possible that the play would be a guy like ridder or strong simply because the guy Paton wants is off the board at 9.

If that happens were no doubt going to bring in some scrub and have Lock or maybe a 2nd rd rookie as our Qb room. Which puts us right back where we were. If I'm Paton I'm moving to pick 1 or pick 4 if I have interest in this QB class.

These QBs are not highly thought of. Add FAs like Cousins. Huntley, Teddy, etc. And I'm guessing you'll see a few ahead of us pass on low rated rooks and stabilize the roster while waiting for the exciting 2023 crop. I'd be shocked if Houston goes QB. They like Mills enough. And I'll take a year off this board if a QB goes 1 or 2.

Originally Posted by SmilinAssasSin27

These QBs are not highly thought of. Add FAs like Cousins. Huntley, Teddy, etc. And I'm guessing you'll see a few ahead of us pass on low rated rooks and stabilize the roster while waiting for the exciting 2023 crop. I'd be shocked if Houston goes QB. They like Mills enough. And I'll take a year off this board if a QB goes 1 or 2.

First don't ever take a year off the board, 2nd Pickett has a great shot to go to Detroit. Even more so now that the HC of Detroit gets to see him front and center at the Senior Bowl. Pretty sure Campbell is going to fall in love with Pickett. I expect Houston to Pass on a QB and I heard something interesting about Watson being forced to play next year or coaxed into playing next year. If he gets suspended Houston has outs on his contract as well. Rumor is Caulley may be out and they could go for Flores to appease Watson to get him to play. They also like Mills. That means the Giants, Carolina and Atlanta before us.

If a GM pays Teddy or Huntley they are stupid. These are guys you pay backup QB money to and tell them they are the back up period! Any GM that's okay with guys like that wont be around for long if they ride that hill.......

detroit GM brad holmes is the guy who drafted goff in LA, and they keep saying how much they like him. . . i tend to think they'll go edge at #2-- they can always circle back for a QB at the top of the second. . . for me, the G-men are the team we really need to get ahead of, so IMO #4 is still the sweet spot. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

detroit GM brad holmes is the guy who drafted goff in LA, and they keep saying how much they like him. . . i tend to think they'll go edge at #2-- they can always circle back for a QB at the top of the second. . . for me, the G-men are the team we really need to get ahead of, so IMO #4 is still the sweet spot. . .

Yea, despite my reservations about Goff i dont think Detroit will jump the ship just yet. However, they may still take Pickett as a backup plan and perhaps a way to light a fire under Goff if need be. It will be a interesting conundrum for them never the less.

Originally Posted by Northman

Yea, despite my reservations about Goff i dont think Detroit will jump the ship just yet. However, they may still take Pickett as a backup plan and perhaps a way to light a fire under Goff if need be. It will be a interesting conundrum for them never the less.

obviously you never know. . . but they can also light a fire with a guy like strong or ridder at the top of the 2nd (or even trade up a couple spots to the end of the 1st to get that 5th year option). . . as bad as their defense is, it's gonna be awfully tough for them to pass on a dude like hutch or the other top edge guy, IMO. . .

Transplant this same draft class to the 90's or early 2000's and Carson Strong is the clear #1 QB. Best arm in the class by a wide margin, I've seen people say he has a top 5 arm(strength wise) even if you factor in current NFL. Most accurate QB in the class. Classic size and attributes. But because of the era we're in and him being the least mobile of the top 5 or 6 guys he is a second rounder.

I honestly think there's a good chance Strong is the best QB in this class when all is said and done.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Transplant this same draft class to the 90's or early 2000's and Carson Strong is the clear #1 QB. Best arm in the class by a wide margin, I've seen people say he has a top 5 arm(strength wise) even if you factor in current NFL. Most accurate QB in the class. Classic size and attributes. But because of the era we're in and him being the least mobile of the top 5 or 6 guys he is a second rounder.

I honestly think there's a good chance Strong is the best QB in this class when all is said and done.

I havent seen anything that has stated he is the most accurate of the bunch but ill keep looking. With all that said he could possibly pull a Big Ben and come out of nowhere. Even though Ben was a first rounder no one really believed he would end up becoming a franchise QB because of the other QB's in his class.

Originally Posted by Northman

I havent seen anything that has stated he is the most accurate of the bunch but ill keep looking. With all that said he could possibly pull a Big Ben and come out of nowhere. Even though Ben was a first rounder no one really believed he would end up becoming a franchise QB because of the other QB's in his class.

Everyone raves about Pickett's accuracy, before this season he had two 61% completion Percentage seasons, this season 67%. Strong had a 63% as a Frosh and 2 70% seasons in a row.

I know comp % isn't the end all be all of accuracy but it's not a bad way of judging it either.

These are the things I've seen and heard about Strong consistently that excite me about him.

“Strong is a linear-built pocket passer with the arm to layer the ball to all areas of the field. He also has different ball speeds with which he can attack defenses. Of the quarterbacks in this draft class, he has the most maturity from a pre-snap perspective. Strong had full autonomy over setting and changing protections, orchestrating hot routes and audibiling out of plays. On tape, you frequently see him communicating to all 10 of his teammates and placing them in advantageous situations. He has a calming presence in the pocket and a natural feel of how to navigate within it in order to get off throws.”

I'd take that.

One thing to note here though is when Jackson and
Allen came of college both were in the 30's and
50's in terms of accuracy. Clearly, Jackson seems to
have not progressed as much at the pro level while
Allen has made great strides.

Point being, even for a guy like Strong depending on
his work ethic and progression he may very well
improve upon what his college QBR is.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr


(9) Kenny Pickett (Pitt) 81.2
(10) Matt Corral (Miss) 80.5
(21) Sam Howell (UNC) 76.1
(29) Desmond Ridder (Cin) 71.9
(36) Malik Willis (Lib) 70.0
(53) Carson Strong (Nev) 64.5


In terms of passing efficiency:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/...t/individual/8

(9) Kenny Pickett 165
(14) Desmond Ridder 158
(21) Carson Strong 156
(25) Matt Corral 155
(27) Sam Howell 154
(34) Malik Willis 151

Originally Posted by Northman

One thing to note here though is when Jackson and
Allen came of college both were in the 30's and
50's in terms of accuracy. Clearly, Jackson seems to
have not progressed as much at the pro level while
Allen has made great strides.

Point being, even for a guy like Strong depending on
his work ethic and progression he may very well
improve upon what his college QBR is.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr


(9) Kenny Pickett (Pitt) 81.2
(10) Matt Corral (Miss) 80.5
(21) Sam Howell (UNC) 76.1
(29) Desmond Ridder (Cin) 71.9
(36) Malik Willis (Lib) 70.0
(53) Carson Strong (Nev) 64.5


In terms of passing efficiency:

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/...t/individual/8

(9) Kenny Pickett 165
(14) Desmond Ridder 158
(21) Carson Strong 156
(25) Matt Corral 155
(27) Sam Howell 154
(34) Malik Willis 151

Something is off with that rating if it has Willis at a higher QBR than Strong. Strong has an almost 10% higher comp%, 1300 more yards, 11 more TDs and 4 fewer INTs. Sorry I can not in any way believe Malik Willis can be thought of as a better QB than Strong right now, more upside from a raw clay standpoint, sure. I can't take any rating system seriously that ranks him above Strong right now though, the numbers clearly point to Strong being the better passer.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Something is off with that rating if it has Willis at a higher QBR than Strong. Strong has an almost 10% higher comp%, 1300 more yards, 11 more TDs and 4 fewer INTs. Sorry I can not in any way believe Malik Willis can be thought of as a better QB than Strong right now, more upside from a raw clay standpoint, sure. I can't take any rating system seriously that ranks him above Strong right now though, the numbers clearly point to Strong being the better passer.

I posted an explanation of the QBR system and how it works in another thread. You may want to check it out and read up on it because its very detailed in how it is setup for QB's. I mean, Willis is considered a higher prospect than Strong so there must be something to it methinks. But like i said, Josh Allen was rated pretty low in terms of accuracy but maybe the one thing that i myself didnt take in consideration at the time was his QBR going into the draft. Same with Mahomes whom no one really knew about.

Originally Posted by Northman

I havent seen anything that has stated he is the most accurate of the bunch but ill keep looking. With all that said he could possibly pull a Big Ben and come out of nowhere. Even though Ben was a first rounder no one really believed he would end up becoming a franchise QB because of the other QB's in his class.

Strong has great accuracy, especial deep and mid zone. By far my favorite QB to watch throw the ball in this draft. And people who really knew the draft had the inside track on Big Ben

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Transplant this same draft class to the 90's or early 2000's and Carson Strong is the clear #1 QB. Best arm in the class by a wide margin, I've seen people say he has a top 5 arm(strength wise) even if you factor in current NFL. Most accurate QB in the class. Classic size and attributes. But because of the era we're in and him being the least mobile of the top 5 or 6 guys he is a second rounder.

I honestly think there's a good chance Strong is the best QB in this class when all is said and done.

Strong issue is the medical on his knee. If it is good than he will go in the first. He more mobile than Jones.