Thread: Lindsay vents about his usage in Shurmur’s offense.

Originally Posted by underrated29

You are not qualified to speak on this subject until you openly admist that Gordon absolutely out did lindsay in EVERY. SINGLE. FACET. OF. FOOTBALL. THIS. YEAR. FOR. THE. DENVER. BRONCOS.



Until then my friend, you are nope.

I respect your 'totality of contribution' position, in fact, it is my own position.

I think you are not being clear-headed about how detrimental a turnover is to winning games--how the totality becomes negative no matter how adroit the runner is, no matter how much of a nose-for-the-endzone back, no matter how many touches per season.

It's like kicking field goals that subtract points from your total--dumb as a box of rocks. But we accept it...because...? I don't even know.

There are backs who have the trait of elite ball security. They had it in college, it transfers to the pros. It is an attribute like a 40 time.

Kareem Hunt.
Benjarvis GE.
Christian Mac.
Phil Lindsay.

I'll bet there are UDFAs out there who have elite ball security, who lack elite vision or w/e, who can take what their O-line gives them, who do not score own-goals.

Who let you spend more money on DBs and QBs and so on.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I can't accept this without evidence. You may be right. My gut says no...

Fair enough. How does one go about it?

Things we need to consider -If we are looking at things like the fumbles every 50 touches:

- What did the player do on the plays (not just touches) in the same ratio 1/50, etc in terms of pass pro, first down, positive run, catch, etc.
- broken tackles/missed tackles
- lead into scoring range
- scores
- scores as a direct result of player (ex a run tackled on .5 yard line- qb sneak in for td)
- where int/fumble occurs
- points scored directly off int/fumble
- total points scored from player
- total points scored because of player contributions
- total points scored directly because player turned over (and or messed up- like gordon missing a key block on 3rd down with a wide open wr for a 1st- and then team gets punt return or scores a td, etc)



How we do all that I have no clue. But that is why we have you. You excel in those areas.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Fair enough. How does one go about it?

Things we need to consider -If we are looking at things like the fumbles every 50 touches:

- What did the player do on the plays (not just touches) in the same ratio 1/50, etc in terms of pass pro, first down, positive run, catch, etc.
- broken tackles/missed tackles
- lead into scoring range
- scores
- scores as a direct result of player (ex a run tackled on .5 yard line- qb sneak in for td)
- where int/fumble occurs
- points scored directly off int/fumble
- total points scored from player
- total points scored because of player contributions
- total points scored directly because player turned over (and or messed up- like gordon missing a key block on 3rd down with a wide open wr for a 1st- and then team gets punt return or scores a td, etc)



How we do all that I have no clue. But that is why we have you. You excel in those areas.

You are not gordon. YOu are lindsay. You will not drop the ball on this endeavor I know it!

Originally Posted by underrated29

You are not qualified to speak on this subject until you openly admist that Gordon absolutely out did lindsay in EVERY. SINGLE. FACET. OF. FOOTBALL. THIS. YEAR. FOR. THE. DENVER. BRONCOS.



Until then my friend, you are nope.

Gordon was an excellent player this season. He needs to stop fumbling, it is a major problem.

If you ask me to build a team and you tell me my options at RB1 are Phillip Lindsey or Melvin Gordon, I choose Lindsey. Every time.

Lol unbelievable.

Originally Posted by underrated29

Fair enough. How does one go about it?

Things we need to consider -If we are looking at things like the fumbles every 50 touches:

- What did the player do on the plays (not just touches) in the same ratio 1/50, etc in terms of pass pro, first down, positive run, catch, etc.
- broken tackles/missed tackles
- lead into scoring range
- scores
- scores as a direct result of player (ex a run tackled on .5 yard line- qb sneak in for td)
- where int/fumble occurs
- points scored directly off int/fumble
- total points scored from player
- total points scored because of player contributions
- total points scored directly because player turned over (and or messed up- like gordon missing a key block on 3rd down with a wide open wr for a 1st- and then team gets punt return or scores a td, etc)



How we do all that I have no clue. But that is why we have you. You excel in those areas.

Yeah, it would be a project! I'd love to do it with infinite time...or with a reasonable budget...

*ahem* Broncos quant guys, go ahead and PM me, I won't bite.

Originally Posted by WARHORSE

Love Lindsays heart but he can't stay healthy.

Javonte Williams is the best back in this draft period. I'd love to see us steal him in the draft....most have him 3rd round.

A certain bammer may disagree.

Lindsay is sorry!

Originally Posted by Jaded

Lindsay is sorry!

Take that back!

Originally Posted by Northman

Take that back!

Never!