Thread: Off Season Moves

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

As a Mississippi State fan I'm praying we get Hill. He is such a dynamic playmaker, pretty much single handedly carried that offense. Would be a great fit here.

As for Lindsay, totally agree. Paton knows there isn't a chance anyone gives a 2nd for Lindsay, so why pay the extra million when you don't have to?

Coach is smart. You're just riding his coattails!

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Watered down safety market says his contract wasn't worth it...especially at his age. Plus...there's no saying we can't bring him back anyway on a different deal. And...there are quite a few good safeties in the draft

He was a top 5 FA safety, the other 4 who were FA's are making around 13 mil and maybe even more with some extensions for Maye, Williams, and Simmons possibly coming. I get his age but its 1 year, If we had someone in house that could step in I get it. If the market was strong I get it, if the draft was strong I get it. Sure there are a couple good prospects but this isn't a impact safety class. Getting rid of impact talent without a viable replacement is just a dumb move. Especially when the so called financial savings aren't that gigantic....and now Denver is willing to pay 30 mil for 3 years to a guy with a poor performance track record and injury history. Its hypocritical big time. We just love overpaying for injured players and avg performers in Denver. With Paton that hasn't changed apparently.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

He was a top 5 FA safety, the other 4 who were FA's are making around 13 mil and maybe even more with some extensions for Maye, Williams, and Simmons possibly coming. I get his age but its 1 year, If we had someone in house that could step in I get it. If the market was strong I get it, if the draft was strong I get it. Sure there are a couple good prospects but this isn't a impact safety class. Getting rid of impact talent without a viable replacement is just a dumb move. Especially when the so called financial savings aren't that gigantic....and now Denver is willing to pay 30 mil for 3 years to a guy with a poor performance track record and injury history. Its hypocritical big time. We just love overpaying for injured players and avg performers in Denver. With Paton that hasn't changed apparently.

Well...we're paying 30 mil to a 27 year old coming off a really good year. And if we're worried about the injury track record, we can eliminate about 60% of the available free agents at positions of need right off the bat. That's a bit different than the Kareem scenario. The main point is there are other safeties available and most of them are younger and equally talented and not all of them are going to get the 13 mil Kareem was due. Add that to a solid draft class and it's just an educated personnel decision.

And top 5 is being very generous

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Well...we're paying 30 mil to a 27 year old coming off a really good year. And if we're worried about the injury track record, we can eliminate about 60% of the available free agents at positions of need right off the bat. That's a bit different than the Kareem scenario. The main point is there are other safeties available and most of them are younger and equally talented and not all of them are going to get the 13 mil Kareem was due. Add that to a solid draft class and it's just an educated personnel decision.

I would say a solid year not good, and the history before said good year which happened to be a contract year is much more scary then a 33 year old safety who still performed at a pro bowl level last year. With that being said I do get for Paton it was probably always a Von or Kjax not both kind of thing, but I see our secondary as still a big big issue so far and for a team that has struggled there, that's not a good thing.....

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

I would say a solid year not good, and the history before said good year which happened to be a contract year is much more scary then a 33 year old safety who still performed at a pro bowl level last year. With that being said I do get for Paton it was probably always a Von or Kjax not both kind of thing, but I see our secondary as still a big big issue so far and for a team that has struggled there, that's not a good thing.....

One thing I find interesting is that pretty much everyone was excited to pay Bouye last year after ONE good season in his repertoire...but paying less for a kid with some injury history is ridiculous. In the end, we needed CB help and despite the injury concern...Darby was probably the best available. Anyone else is 30 or older...or only plays the slot. Let's not forget that Darby was the top DB on the #2 pass defense last year. If he's healthy...he's a bargain.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Personally, I think the plan is to let him sign with another team. Giving him a 2nd round tender would have ensured he stayed here because no one is giving up a 2nd for him and quite frankly...I don't think Shurmur really wants him because he doesn't fit the offense all that well. If he was a better receiver, he'd have more value to the team...but he's not. We'll end up finding another guy in the draft. Kylin Hill is a guy I like in the middle rounds that would be a perfect compliment to Gordon.

Just my 2 cents.

This thread kind of makes the case that because he is a liability in the passing game, especially in protection - it's made the offense more one-dimensional and predictable in the running game as well because teams can stack the box when he's in the game.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I'd assume Belichick would have much rather had Von than Judon. No way Miami and Dallas wouldn't have made a play either.

Originally Posted by Buff

This thread kind of makes the case that because he is a liability in the passing game, especially in protection - it's made the offense more one-dimensional and predictable in the running game as well because teams can stack the box when he's in the game.

Mo is going to punch the air reading this.

Originally Posted by Buff

This thread kind of makes the case that because he is a liability in the passing game, especially in protection - it's made the offense more one-dimensional and predictable in the running game as well because teams can stack the box when he's in the game.

You guys are going to make MO get all puffed up! Stop that.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

But I was told Paton hates talent based on like 2 moves he made, so this can't be right!

Wave, sometimes in the heat of the moment we get pissed because a favorite is on his way out and sometimes in the case of Kareem, we're letting one of our best players on D go over a few measly million. KJack is a good safety and a leader, this team is devoid of leadership. We don't know Paton so we go off appearances.

Originally Posted by GEM

Wave, sometimes in the heat of the moment we get pissed because a favorite is on his way out and sometimes in the case of Kareem, we're letting one of our best players on D go over a few measly million. We don't know Paton so we go off appearances.

I get it. I'd just like to see what our team looks like in August before forming too much of an opinion on the guy. And I definitely get that Lindsay is a fan favorite. I just think we're going to find out that the market for him proves his tender the correct one.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I get it. I'd just like to see what our team looks like in August before forming too much of an opinion on the guy. And I definitely get that Lindsay is a fan favorite. I just think we're going to find out that the market for him proves his tender the correct one.

I'm ok with the Lindsay deal, I'm not ok with the KJack deal. Lindsay wouldn't get a real chance here either way because he doesn't fit OC's offense, so if he goes, it's whatever.

Broncos just picked up Miller's option

Trading Jackson for Anthony Harris would be a coup.