Thread: Watson apparently not happy.

Originally Posted by Jeudy10Hamler13

Two #1s is my limit on this Watson thing. The thing that has me questioning this is why not just draft Fields? His pro comparison is Watson imo so if there that he’ll bent on dumping lock why not just draft Fields and save all the draft capital?

Somebody name for me the last Ohio State QB that was a star in the NFL? Terrelle Pryor? Art Schlichter? Tom Matte? Kirk Herbstreit? Fact is, most of the great Buckeye QBs turn into guys like Dwayne Haskins at the next level.

Yes, I said the same thing about Texas Tech before Mahomes was drafted but Mahomes is just some sort of space alien that defies logic.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

Somebody name for me the last Ohio State QB that was a star in the NFL? Terrelle Pryor? Art Schlichter? Tom Matte? Kirk Herbstreit? Fact is, most of the great Buckeye QBs turn into guys like Dwayne Haskins at the next level.

Yes, I said the same thing about Texas Tech before Mahomes was drafted but Mahomes is just some sort of space alien that defies logic.

The Texas Tech evaluation was fair though. Graham Harrell is the last hot take QB that I can remember coming out of TT and he sat on GB's bench for a while before he disappeared. But that game against UT where he and Crabtree dominated was a hell of a game.

Originally Posted by SR

The Texas Tech evaluation was fair though. Graham Harrell is the last hot take QB that I can remember coming out of TT and he sat on GB's bench for a while before he disappeared. But that game against UT where he and Crabtree dominated was a hell of a game.

Hell, i remember liking Kingsbury (i think he went to Tech) coming out of college but ultimately he didnt do squat as a player. Mahomes is just an aberration that KC managed to get lucky on which is unfortunate for the rest of the NFL especially the AFCW.

Originally Posted by Northman

Hell, i remember liking Kingsbury (i think he went to Tech) coming out of college but ultimately he didnt do squat as a player. Mahomes is just an aberration that KC managed to get lucky on which is unfortunate for the rest of the NFL especially the AFCW.

Most power five college programs only produce one high-level quarterback ever, because it’s so hard to be a high-level quarterback. The “don’t draft quarterbacks from XXX university” isn’t a thing. You could say that about Tennessee until Peyton Manning (they haven’t had one since). You could say that about Pitt until Dan Marino (again, haven’t had one since). You could say that about just about every college program until they do have a good one. You could’ve said that about Oklahoma until Mayfield, and the jury is out on their group of three in the league anyway. Just so few programs that ever have two, let alone three big time quarterbacks ever. Stanford with Plunkett, Elway and Lock? Notre Dame’s storied history and Joe Montana is their only Hall of Famer, and it’s been 40 years since he was in college. Does that mean don’t draft the next Irish quarterback because he went to Notre Dame? No. “Don’t draft quarterbacks from XXX university” just isn’t a thing.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Most power five college programs only produce one high-level quarterback ever, because it’s so hard to be a high-level quarterback. The “don’t draft quarterbacks from XXX university” isn’t a thing. You could say that about Tennessee until Peyton Manning (they haven’t had one since). You could say that about Pitt until Dan Marino (again, haven’t had one since). You could say that about just about every college program until they do have a good one. You could’ve said that about Oklahoma until Mayfield, and the jury is out on their group of three in the league anyway. Just so few programs that ever have two, let alone three big time quarterbacks ever. Stanford with Plunkett, Elway and Lock? Notre Dame’s storied history and Joe Montana is their only Hall of Famer, and it’s been 40 years since he was in college. Does that mean don’t draft the next Irish quarterback because he went to Notre Dame? No. “Don’t draft quarterbacks from XXX university” just isn’t a thing.

On a larger scale I agree with you. But I think when you have schools like Texas Tech that have what has been considered a more gimmicky offense in a conference with a lot of bad defenses that inflates QB stats (Oklahoma is this school now) I think it's fair to have some trepidation when they pump out QB after QB who puts up massive college stats and does nothing as a pro. That's not to say you should automatically rule out a QB because he went to a given school, but in a case like with Mahomes I can see why people might have been gunshy.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

On a larger scale I agree with you. But I think when you have schools like Texas Tech that have what has been considered a more gimmicky offense in a conference with a lot of bad defenses that inflates QB stats (Oklahoma is this school now) I think it's fair to have some trepidation when they pump out QB after QB who puts up massive college stats and does nothing as a pro. That's not to say you should automatically rule out a QB because he went to a given school, but in a case like with Mahomes I can see why people might have been gunshy.

If I was an owner and a GM ever told me he wasn’t taking a player because X other player wasn’t good, I’d fire him on spot. If someone passes on Fields because Troy Smith was bad, what are they even doing?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

If I was an owner and a GM ever told me he wasn’t taking a player because X other player wasn’t good, I’d fire him on spot. If someone passes on Fields because Troy Smith was bad, what are they even doing?

I dont think that is really what we are saying here brother.

Originally Posted by Northman

I dont think that is really what we are saying here brother.

That’s exactly what Hoof is saying, he’s said it before.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

On a larger scale I agree with you. But I think when you have schools like Texas Tech that have what has been considered a more gimmicky offense in a conference with a lot of bad defenses that inflates QB stats (Oklahoma is this school now) I think it's fair to have some trepidation when they pump out QB after QB who puts up massive college stats and does nothing as a pro. That's not to say you should automatically rule out a QB because he went to a given school, but in a case like with Mahomes I can see why people might have been gunshy.

OU QBs have been having quite a bit of success in the NFL lately, no? I don't think you can say OU QBs are doing nothiing as pros.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

That’s exactly what Hoof is saying, he’s said it before.

Well, that is Hoof i mean come on. lol

Originally Posted by Northman

Well, that is Hoof i mean come on. lol

Lol...but also if Chicago took Trubisky because of Kliff Kingsbury ... ouch.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

If I was an owner and a GM ever told me he wasn’t taking a player because X other player wasn’t good, I’d fire him on spot. If someone passes on Fields because Troy Smith was bad, what are they even doing?

Sure, saying "don't draft OSU guy because the last few OSU guys were bad" is dumb. But if it's more of a system thing like "be careful of this air raid guy who passed for 5000 yards and didn't have to make reads" because this coach has a QB who does this every year and they never translate to the pros, I think that's a fair stance to take. That's not to say you should never draft an air raid QB, I'd just have to be damn sure they actually had the talent and weren't a product of the system.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Sure, saying "don't draft OSU guy because the last few OSU guys were bad" is dumb. But if it's more of a system thing like "be careful of this air raid guy who passed for 5000 yards and didn't have to make reads" because this coach has a QB who does this every year and they never translate to the pros, I think that's a fair stance to take. That's not to say you should never draft an air raid QB, I'd just have to be damn sure they actually had the talent and weren't a product of the system.

I think NFL Scouts for the most part have seen through that. The other Texas Tech quarterbacks were sixth round, seventh round and UDFA until Mahomes. Fields, by all reports, is completely different than Haskins, who had all sorts of red flags in terms of attitude. Fields has none of that attached to him from what I can tell and has the talent (which Haskins does have).

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I think NFL Scouts for the most part have seen through that. The other Texas Tech quarterbacks were sixth round, seventh round and UDFA until Mahomes. Fields, by all reports, is completely different than Haskins, who had all sorts of red flags in terms of attitude. Fields has none of that attached to him from what I can tell and has the talent (which Haskins does have).

While the Texas Tech thing certainly shouldn't have been a deal breaker for Mahomes, I can still understand why a GM would have been hesitant to have taken him, say, in the top 2 or 3. If you like his talent but aren't completely sold that he wasn't a system guy and you're worried about him being a bust and you getting fired for being tricked into the run-n-gun QB who ate up bad Big 12 defenses, I can get making a safer pick there. Obviously in hindsight it seems ridiculous that he didn't go first, but at the time I think most people might have had similar reservations that would have made them gunshy picking him THAT high.

He also landed in the perfect situation with Reid. He would be good anywhere, but he goes to a Bears team with bad coaching and talent, I don't think he's in his second super bowl already.

I wouldn't use the Ohio State QB theory. Maybe Fields is considered to be a UGA QB too? Didn't a certain Bengal begin at OSU? Fields can play IMO. He just didn't want to wait his turn at Georgia.