Thread: New GM talk

I can smell the meltdowns now if we hire a pats guy.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I can smell the meltdowns now if we hire a pats guy.

It’s Champ Kelly, not Champ Bailey... Klis should learn to proof read.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

It’s Champ Kelly, not Champ Bailey... Klis should learn to proof read.

Looks like he deleted that tweet. For anyone who missed it, the text with correct names:

"Confirming Broncos have sent permission slips to Patriots for Dave Ziegler, who was with Broncos from 2010-12 and Vikings assistant GM George Paton, whose nephew Rob Paton is a Broncos scout. Bears Champ Kelly received permission for GM interview earlier today. #9sports"

Originally Posted by SR

Rick Smith hiring Bill O'Brien was what soured me on him.

BOB was actually paying off, it’s BOB you should be blaming for BOB.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Looks like he deleted that tweet. For anyone who missed it, the text with correct names:

"Confirming Broncos have sent permission slips to Patriots for Dave Ziegler, who was with Broncos from 2010-12 and Vikings assistant GM George Paton, whose nephew Rob Paton is a Broncos scout. Bears Champ Kelly received permission for GM interview earlier today. #9sports"

JFC! No more Cheatriot ass-holes.

Especially an Executive, their roster is hot garbage.

Originally Posted by Jaded

JFC! No more Cheatriot ass-holes.

Especially an Executive, their roster is hot garbage.

Now I want it to happen even more!

Originally Posted by Buff

Rick Smith and Elway were both all in on Brock Osweiler... Wouldn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence to have those two teaming up to find the QBOTF.

Brock re-signing here would have turned out okay. Many of the games we lost were because our offense completely stalled. Brock had chemistry with DT and Sanders, but his issues in Houston were developing chemistry with Hopkins and not being offered the same flexibility that he was in Denver. Brock was completely supported by the organization here and actually well liked by the fans at the time. I have every reason to believe that the Broncos would have been a playoff team instead of being 9-7 with Brock instead of TS, but I think that's another conversation entirely.

Brock was one of many failed Texans free agent signings, and I think they have a tendency to get into imaginary bidding wars for mid-range talent. Ahman Green, Ed Reed, and Brock Osweiler. Brock was definitely the worst, but only because Rick Smith had mismanaged the contract and the cap so horribly that the Texans actually had to give up a 2nd round pick to dump the contract. Rahim Moore and Jeff Allen were also signed to bad deals. The difference between a Rick Smith/Shanahan bad signing and an Elway bad signing is that the team isn't financially crippled from an Elway screwup. Even the Manning contract had escape clauses in the event of a flare up of his neck issue.

When I look at the Texans cap management since 2005, it reminds me of the Shanahan days in Denver where the team overpaid for middle of the road talent, and was always up against the cap. Don't get me wrong, Elway did briefly fall into this pitfall after 2015 with some of the extensions (as most champions do in all sports, with the Patriots being the exception), but nothing that couldn't be fixed. I think Elway has left Denver in solid cap shape and done a good job overall, especially when you compare this organization to ones like the Texans or Eagles that seem to have no clue. When this team was going to be in bad shape, Elway was actually able to get value for Talib, Sanders, and DT. Obviously, Talib and DT are now out of the league.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Brock re-signing here would have turned out okay.

He did re-sign here.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

He did re-sign here.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about when he left for Houston.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

I'm pretty sure he was talking about when he left for Houston.

Yeah at the point he came back here he was pretty much broken. I do think had he never left he could have blossomed into a decent starter for us, maybe a Ryan Tannehill type.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Brock re-signing here would have turned out okay. Many of the games we lost were because our offense completely stalled. Brock had chemistry with DT and Sanders, but his issues in Houston were developing chemistry with Hopkins and not being offered the same flexibility that he was in Denver. Brock was completely supported by the organization here and actually well liked by the fans at the time. I have every reason to believe that the Broncos would have been a playoff team instead of being 9-7 with Brock instead of TS, but I think that's another conversation entirely.

Brock was one of many failed Texans free agent signings, and I think they have a tendency to get into imaginary bidding wars for mid-range talent. Ahman Green, Ed Reed, and Brock Osweiler. Brock was definitely the worst, but only because Rick Smith had mismanaged the contract and the cap so horribly that the Texans actually had to give up a 2nd round pick to dump the contract. Rahim Moore and Jeff Allen were also signed to bad deals. The difference between a Rick Smith/Shanahan bad signing and an Elway bad signing is that the team isn't financially crippled from an Elway screwup. Even the Manning contract had escape clauses in the event of a flare up of his neck issue.

When I look at the Texans cap management since 2005, it reminds me of the Shanahan days in Denver where the team overpaid for middle of the road talent, and was always up against the cap. Don't get me wrong, Elway did briefly fall into this pitfall after 2015 with some of the extensions (as most champions do in all sports, with the Patriots being the exception), but nothing that couldn't be fixed. I think Elway has left Denver in solid cap shape and done a good job overall, especially when you compare this organization to ones like the Texans or Eagles that seem to have no clue. When this team was going to be in bad shape, Elway was actually able to get value for Talib, Sanders, and DT. Obviously, Talib and DT are now out of the league.

One thing I always look at is dead money from year-to-year. I think that is a very good indicator on how well a GM is able to negotiate contracts. Elway has been really good in front-loading or back-loading contracts to be able to avoid lots of dead money. He has also done a good job of not over-paying. There are a couple of head-scratchers, like Juwan James, but all in all he's done a good job in the contract department and Denver hasn't had a whole hell of a lot of dead money rolling over from year to year. That dead money is called "dead" for a reason and prohibits teams from actually using that money to sign players.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Yeah at the point he came back here he was pretty much broken. I do think had he never left he could have blossomed into a decent starter for us, maybe a Ryan Tannehill type.

Osweiler is probably a real estate agent somewhere now.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Champ Kelly is currently the guy I hope we hire. With Elway staying with the organization, I'm thinking Denver targets a personnel director moving up in the ranks instead of a retread GM. Personally, I like this more because we've seen the body of work of a lot of these retreads, and it is completely a mixed bag.

Rick Smith gets all of this credit for JJ Watt, Hopkins, Watson, but then you look at some of his personnel decisions like signing Ed Reed (and letting Glover Quinn walk), and all you can do is shake your head. Let's give someone who has learned in a great organization how to run personnel their first shot at being the guy.

The Bears have given permission to the Broncos to interview Kelly. This is who I'm hoping for as well!

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Yeah at the point he came back here he was pretty much broken. I do think had he never left he could have blossomed into a decent starter for us, maybe a Ryan Tannehill type.

Agreed, it's been said the guys in the locker room loved him. Really dumb move going to Houston. He's as much as said so on The Fan.

Originally Posted by SR

Osweiler is probably a real estate agent somewhere now.

With 40 mil in NFL money to sit on