Thread: Here you go MO, it's public now.

Originally Posted by GEM

It just said OR DON'T, so Don't.

No, you asked a question. What is bullshit about it. I explained. I assumed that was a sincere question you posed. It's clearly bullshit and we know it.

Originally Posted by Tned

Just to be clear, are you now claiming that none of us can make any comments or criticisms about the media, because MO claims he works in that profession, so it's now off the table? If so, are we going to take a poll of every other profession or topic that's off the table?

Everything else sounds good, but this one sounds like MO's ranting and rule's violating f bombs have you taking any criticism of the press/media off the table as a "jab" at him, or are you being very specific about jabs about him and his, or any of our, professions?

I think you need to clear this up for us.

Be a nice person, you know he works in media, don't say they need to be murdered because OBVIOUSLY he works in media. If you said all real estate agents need to die, I'd take offense to it. If you said all truck drivers need to die, Spyder would have taken offense to it, if you said all military needs to die, Davii could take offense to it. Just be civil in understanding your words may hurt someone and they may take it as a direct hit on them personally.

I'm sorry that needs to be explained to you.

Originally Posted by Tned

No, you asked a question. What is bullshit about it. I explained. I assumed that was a sincere question you posed. It's clearly bullshit and we know it.

He said OR DON'T so don't apologize and move on.

Originally Posted by Tned

What's bullshit is any fantasy that me apologizing for what even MO acknowledges was a joke will make any difference in his multi year, nearly decade long crusade.

Who's apologizing for calling me a drunk, which is rich considering I live in a dry county and have a drink every few months, maybe.
Who's apologizing for saying I jerk off in socks to Trump speeches?
Who's apologizing for calling me a ******* idiot, piece of shit, mother****** and other choice gems in this thread and many others.

I could go on. So, yes, it's BS to think that I'm the only one that needs to apologize for anything, and more accurately, it's BS to think that if I apologize, it's going to change one bit of MO and a few others guys being triggered by everything I do and feel that gives them a right to attack me with no consequences. It's the fact they attack me with no consequences that lets them know they can keep doing it.

No consequence??? Every one of those guys has received MULTIPLE bans.

Originally Posted by Tned

Yea, that's the problem. Davii creates a town hall thread about Buff and TJR wishing the President would die, and MO, successfully, makes the thread about me.

I guess I should request to have my screen name changed to "The Excuse" since I seem to be a convenient one for everyone else's behavior.

That wasn't what this thread was about. It was about EVERYONE! Just naming a couple of examples didn't make it only about them.

I'm done arguing about it.

From this point forward, any and all will be dealt with. If you see something wrong, report it, don't respond and let us deal with it. For yourselves, just be more friggen HUMAN. The person on the other side of the computer is someone we've all been friends with for 10+ years. Take into account how you want to be treated and treat others as such. Nothing said in P&R is going to change the others opinion. So leave it as that, Opinion without the personal shots. Respect each other.

Originally Posted by GEM

No consequence??? Every one of those guys has received MULTIPLE bans.

Not for those things.

Is it now OK to launch unbridled personal attacks in TH threads? I never knew that was an option, or maybe I would unleash some of my frustration.

Anyway, my issue isn't with you, I know you have a shit job that you volunteered for, so I'll drop it, but I'm sick and ******* tired of people getting offended by discussions, even if they sometimes get heated and that being an excuse for rule's violating personal attacks.

I'm sick and tired of being abused on a regular basis on this ******* site that I've paid for out of my pocket with no revenue coming in.

Does anyone really think many other people would do this and let some angry guy like MO call him/her/them/they or whatever the pronoun of the day is a piece of shit, mother ******, etc.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

Nearly shut the server down last night, and in a decade and $30k PLUS spent on this place, I have never been that close to, without warning, just saying **** it and shutting it down.

I don't have a problem getting a CYP or ever banned, if I break an actual, published rule. If we don't like the rules, as published, change them, and then hold us all TO THE SAME SET OF RULES, or, let's call it a day and all move on to Facebook, Twitter or some new forum that someone else creates.

I'm done being abused for the pleasure of giving people like MO a platform to make me the excuse for all of his problems and behavior.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

Originally Posted by GEM

That wasn't what this thread was about. It was about EVERYONE! Just naming a couple of examples didn't make it only about them.

Yea, that sounds good, but MO and a few others make every ******* town hall thread about me.

I'm sick and tired of it.

/rant

Originally Posted by Tned

Not for those things.

Is it now OK to launch unbridled personal attacks in TH threads? I never knew that was an option, or maybe I would unleash some of my frustration.

Anyone, my issue isn't with you, I know you have a shit job that you volunteered for, so I'll drop it, but I'm sick and ******* tired of people getting offended by discussions, even if they sometimes get heated and that being an excuse for rule's violating personal attacks.

I'm sick and tired of being abused on a regular basis on this ******* site that I've paid for out of my pocket with no revenue coming in.

Does anyone really think many other people would do this and let some angry guy like MO call him/her/them/they or whatever the pronoun of the day is a piece of shit, mother ******, etc.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

Nearly shut the server down last night, and in a decade and $30k PLUS spent on this place, I have never been that close to, without warning, just saying **** it and shutting it down.

I don't have a problem getting a CYP or ever banned, if I break an actual, published rule. If we don't like the rules, as published, change them, and then hold us all TO THE SAME SET OF RULES, or, let's call it a day and all move on to Facebook, Twitter or some new forum that someone else creates.

I'm done being abused for the pleasure of giving people like MO a platform to make me the excuse for all of his problems and behavior.

I'm sick and ******* tired of it.

That's the problem, T. And I'm saying this from a place of I love ya, dude. Always have.

Sometimes though, you are the problem. And yes, some of their bans have in fact been for attacks on you. To say they haven't isn't being honest with yourself.

And just as sick and tired of it you are, so are they.

And I am in no way absolving Mo of what he pulled in here, because the name calling was absolutely wrong.

What I'm asking for is from this point forward, let the shit be water under the bridge. P&R can be full of fun and good conversation if we all can work on just being respectful to each other and respectful that we all have different opinions. If any one of us can't do that, log off P&R now. And that line is to EVERYONE. If you can't be respectful of others opinions, even if they are polar opposite of your own, LOG OFF P&R! And in the future, if you aren't responsible enough to know you can't do that and you don't take the initiative to remove yourself, we'll do it for you.

Originally Posted by GEM

That's the problem, T. And I'm saying this from a place of I love ya, dude. Always have.

Sometimes though, you are the problem. And yes, some of their bans have in fact been for attacks on you. To say they haven't isn't being honest with yourself.

And just as sick and tired of it you are, so are they.

And I am in no way absolving Mo of what he pulled in here, because the name calling was absolutely wrong.

What I'm asking for is from this point forward, let the shit be water under the bridge. P&R can be full of fun and good conversation if we all can work on just being respectful to each other and respectful that we all have different opinions. If any one of us can't do that, log off P&R now. And that line is to EVERYONE. If you can't be respectful of others opinions, even if they are polar opposite of your own, LOG OFF P&R! And in the future, if you aren't responsible enough to know you can't do that and you don't take the initiative to remove yourself, we'll do it for you.

How many years since I logged into the mod panel? Three, four, five? How would I know if they are about me. The handful of posts I report, almost none now, either get no response, or when I go back and check, are never edited, even if a blatant attack, so from my perspective, it's hard to see them being about me if a post I report isn't even edited when it has a blatant, rules violating, sex act claiming attack?

Anyway, I'm not going to debate that further, I said my piece. I'm done. Ban me if I violate a PUBLISHED rule, don't make it up to appease the angry mob, and ban them when they attack me or others. I'm fine with that, I've BEGGED for that equal justice for half a decade or more.

I've said what i have to say, but need your clarification on "taking jabs at someone's profession."

There is no way you can take all criticism of the media off the table. In P&R, in BT, etc., just because MO uses it as an excuse to attack people. If that's what you meant, I think we need a seperate town hall thread dedicated to that and any other topics that must be removed as someone might be offended by them.

Originally Posted by Tned

How many years since I logged into the mod panel? Three, four, five? How would I know if they are about me. The handful of posts I report, almost none now, either get no response, or when I go back and check, are never edited, even if a blatant attack, so from my perspective, it's hard to see them being about me if a post I report isn't even edited when it has a blatant, rules violating, sex act claiming attack?

Anyway, I'm not going to debate that further, I said my piece. I'm done. Ban me if I violate a PUBLISHED rule, don't make it up to appease the angry mob, and ban them when they attack me or others. I'm fine with that, I've BEGGED for that equal justice for half a decade or more.

I've said what i have to say, but need your clarification on "taking jabs at someone's profession."

There is no way you can take all criticism of the media off the table. In P&R, in BT, etc., just because MO uses it as an excuse to attack people. If that's what you meant, I think we need a seperate town hall thread dedicated to that and any other topics that must be removed as someone might be offended by them.

Of course you can criticize the media, just don't say you're going to murder them. If you criticize and he takes offense, he has every right to report it and have a few other sets of eyes on it. We can decide if it's over the top and have a conversation with you. If he is doing it considerably and it's an over the top reach to include him just because he works in the field, we will let him know.

Originally Posted by GEM

Of course you can criticize the media, just don't say you're going to murder them. If you criticize and he takes offense, he has every right to report it and have a few other sets of eyes on it. We can decide if it's over the top and have a conversation with you. If he is doing it considerably and it's an over the top reach to include him just because he works in the field, we will let him know.

OK, fair enough. Obviously, I didn't say that. I made a joke about what "dread's rule" was and never in my wildest dreams thought two town hall threads and fourty mother ******s later, this would be an issue. It's disengenous to say I said I would murder reporters, but if that's the bar, we are fine.

Let's just call a spade a spade and admit it has NOTHING to do with any belief I was calling for the murder of reporters.

Three posts later in the thread, this was posted. I'm not calling North out, because I don't really believe he thought all Dems should be murdered, but instead it was the frustration of the riots. But, it is telling that nobody is ranting about this and using it as an excuse to call North a mother****** and the like.

Originally Posted by Northman

Democrats are scum, i wish death on them all.

So, let's just stop with the completely contrived outrage (not by you Gem, but the people using it as an excuse) that my tongue in cheek quip about Dread's rule when we were talking about an article where the media just blamed the MN riots on right wingers, and I had compared it to the Benghazi "it was because of a video" narrative, was ever taken BY ANYONE as me believing, or calling for, all reporters to be murdered.

Again, I'm done. No longer going to stand by and let false narratives be perpetrated. It's utter BS. It's utter BS that I should apologize for the quip. If MO had sent me a PM and said, "hey, I don't appreciate that and don't think it's funny. We live in a crazy world and even joking about something like this is wrong" I would have apologized and deleted it.

However, that's not what he did, because it wasn't an issue until it was ammunition for a TH thread months later. Shit, I even sent him a sincere MHS trying to calm things in here saying as much, and he pastes it in here and calls me a mother******, AGAIN.

So, again, let's stop giving cover to his completely false narrative. This has nothing to do with the content of that post. He was doing this in every town hall thread years before that was posted.

Who's calling for North to apologize? Nobody, including myself. Because nobody really believed North was calling for the mass murder of 40% of registered voters.

Let's call it out for what it is, and not support the MO's false narrative, which he will no doubt bring up again in the next TH thread and the one after that, and so on.

Or, if people really believe I was calling for the murder of reporters, and North for the murder of all Dems and every other time something like that has been posted, than let's address them all and talk about apologies from every one that's done it, rather than just when I post something.

T lives matter. Equal justice for all.

I’d hate to be the one responsible for this place getting shut down. And ruining a mans dream and a fans delight. That would be some heavy weight. Don’t let them ruin it T. We all really appreciate what you’ve done for us.

I think people just need to realize that everyone is imperfect and any time spent trying to change a person (or their beliefs) is just time wasted, which is why I made the comment I did. Find your similarities and bond over those instead of acknowledging your differences and using those to rip each other apart. Its really saddening to see that you guys let your differences define your relationships. Very childish.