Thread: 5th pick possible?

Originally Posted by aberdien

I would never trade Von in a million years.

I would just take the best player available, preferably o-line or some baller defensive stud.

That's where I'm at as well. Not a fan of mortgaging the future to pick a QB. I think Elway agrees with that sentiment as well. Assuming the picks given up to move to #1 and draft Lawrence were all perennial starters with a couple of possible Pro Bowlers sprinkled in, the sum of those picks would outweigh the sum of Lawrence, however good he may be. At #5, you have the opportunity to pick a player that will be, ideally, a day one starter at any other position. Also assuming that Bouye isn't with the team next season, CB will also be an area of immediate need. Safety will also be a concern depending on what happens with Jackson and Simmons, but I think Will Parks could step in and be an above average starter. Denver may also have D-line needs if Shelby departs and if Denver opts to ditch Casey. Draft the best player available that fills a glaring need is what I would do. Right now, QB isn't on my list of wants at five or ten or wherever Denver will pick.

Originally Posted by Jaded

#5, Chubb, Simmons and a future #1’.

Simmons won't be under contract when the season expires, so that idea is dead in the water.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

I think people are quick to forget that this is youngest roster in the NFL. If anything, simply staying the course and stocking new talent while developing young players will pay off soon, and keep paying off. This team needs an outside cornerback and an ILB that can cover/blitz. The defense is holding, but they aren't making enough plays to force turnovers. The situation with the offense is improving every week, and committing more heavily to the run game will do wonders next year.

I like our ILB starters in Alexander and the white guy who's name is escaping me at the moment. The OLB situation is good. DE is good. DT is a concern depending on what happens with Shelby and Casey. Safety and corner worry me most on that side of the ball.

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

Originally Posted by Northman

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

Get back Von, Casey, our top 3 or 4 CBs and the D is not my biggest concern. There are spots we could upgrade for sure.

Originally Posted by Northman

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

I hear you, but when the offense constantly gets stymied and gives it right back every time with a punt or a turnover and good field position...

Originally Posted by Northman

We currently give up 230 yds passing a game, 131 yds rushing a game, and 27 points a game. I think there are more problems on defense than people are realizing.

A lot of that is that the opponents have more opportunity. Denver turns the ball over more than almost every team in football and has the worst turnover differential in football. More opportunity leads to more production generally. The biggest problems on defense this season have been injuries, suspensions, and COVID. The personnel hasn't been the biggest problem. Imagine if we had a healthy Von, healthy Callahan, healthy Casey, and if Bouye wasn't suspended. The defense is SOLID personnel wise. Had everyone been relatively healthy and not suspended, the defense would be stout. If the offense was 50% better and healthy, Denver has a really solid team on paper. A lot of the draft needs are going to depend on guys like Juwaan James, Shelby Harris, AJ Bouye, Kareem Jackson, Justin Simmons, etc.

Im just not sold that our LB's are that great and our run stopping has not been that stellar this year regardless of Denver's turnover issues. We need bonafide playermakings at both ILB and DL.

Originally Posted by Northman

Im just not sold that our LB's are that great and our run stopping has not been that stellar this year regardless of Denver's turnover issues. We need bonafide playermakings at both ILB and DL.

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

Originally Posted by atwater27

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

I don't think we "desperately" need new ILB starters. The white guy I referenced earlier, Jewell, is only in his third year and will continue to get better. Alexander is a badass and I'm glad Elway took a flyer on him. If they pick defense with their first round pick, I'd almost guarantee it's a DB.

Originally Posted by SR

I don't think we "desperately" need new ILB starters. The white guy I referenced earlier, Jewell, is only in his third year and will continue to get better. Alexander is a badass and I'm glad Elway took a flyer on him. If they pick defense with their first round pick, I'd almost guarantee it's a DB.

Jewel is a liability on passing downs. Slow and white

Fact is we havent had a bonafide ILB since Al Wilson.

Originally Posted by Northman

Fact is we havent had a bonafide ILB since Al Wilson.

Imagine Al Wilson in today’s NFL, that’s exactly what the Broncos need.

EDGE- Von Miller
ILB- Wilson
ILB- John Mobley
EDGE- Chubby

I just got the weirdest boner.

Originally Posted by atwater27

Inside backers yes we desperately need. I loooove our D line.

Who’s taking bets on Shelby Harris coming back on a reasonable 3 year/$21mil kinda deal?

Everyone in town seems to think he’s gonna break the bank (like we all thought this time last year), I can’t see teams paying max money on a DL that is better at defending passes than he is at sacking the QB.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Who’s taking bets on Shelby Harris coming back on a reasonable 3 year/$21mil kinda deal?

Everyone in town seems to think he’s gonna break the bank (like we all thought this time last year), I can’t see teams paying max money on a DL that is better at defending passes than he is at sacking the QB.

Yeah, but he does have more passes defensed than I think our whole secondary does combined... he’s the new “JJ Swatt”. His value is still a mystery to me, though. Obviously if we let Casey walk we can re-sign Harris. I dunno what the FO is gonna do though. The defense was solid (not great, but good) without Von, Casey, Purcell (although the run defense got worse without big Mike), and the other DL in and out of the lineup all year. Do we want to spend big to keep Von and Casey? I mean I love Von and hope he retire a Bronco, but we all know loyalty is rare late in a career. DT, Sanders, CHJ, etc are all evidence of that. Refresh my memory, did we sign Purcell to an extension? I thought we did like right before he went on IR.