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Draft
1st round— Cooper Dejean CB
2nd round— Jack Sawyer OLB
3rd round— Will Shipley RB
4th round— Ricky Pearsall WR
5th round— Ladd McKonkey WR
6th round— Cash Jones RB
7th round— Carson Steele RB
What on earth makes you think that John Elway deferred to VJ about the draft picks? He might have been able to sit in the room and express his opinion about a player, but Elway is listening to his scouting department.
And unless VJ knew something specific about a player he wouldn't have much impact.
No, those crappy drafts were all John Elway's fault; he made all the decisions and the coaches had little to do with it.
In hindsight, it might have been a mistake to fire Rich Scangarello. Fangio wanted "his guy" and his guy was Pat Shurmur. Scangarello was a Kubiak disciple, and since Elway couldn't get Kubiak as his OC, he took the next best thing.Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
With the benefit of hindsight, was replacing Vance Joseph with Fangio an intelligent, productive decision? I'm not asking whether VJ deserved to be fired, or who is the better coach in a vacuum, but rather this; have years one and two under Vic been noticeably better than years three and four under Vance would likely have been? Show your work-- this isn't intended as a "bash Fangio" thread, I do have an ulterior motive here. . .
Fangio was trying to get the job so he couldn't say "no, I can't work with Scangarello, I must have someone else!" Or he wouldn't have gotten the job.
So, he waited a year, and blamed all the failure of the offense on Scangarello. They threw Scangarello under the bus, when the real reason for the failures was mostly the lack of talent on offense, and that was Elway's fault.
But, Elway couldn't fire himself, and it made no sense to fire Fangio after 1 year. So, . . . .
Personally I didn't like Scangarello, so this is not my opinion, but Lock did much better under his system than under Shurmur's.
1. Elway said as much himself. He was listening to the coaches too much. VJ had a lot of input
2. Look at the last two drafts. Theyve been 100% homeruns, dare I say Grand Slams. Elway still here. Who is not?
3. It had been reported many times that VJ had a great background of scouting talent and had a good eye for talent.
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
You might be on to something, but the last two drafts:
Have resulted in marginal production. For example, the sum of all the AV (approximate value, a single measure of season contribution to team wins) of the 2019 class was 16 among for the class. I'm going to randomly pick three other teams with a similar record and compare the 2019 class.
Jets - 13
Raiders - 29 (they had 9 picks, Denver had 6)
Colts - 16
They felt like good drafts, but that's a feeling and not results. For example, Risner. What's up there? I'd say we didn't whiff on our 1st round picks, they are solid. Outside of that, jury is out.
Originally Posted by Sting
Interesting. We shall see in the next year or two.
For Risner, I believe it has more to do with Cush and not having the chemistry with Cush. Could just be Risner sucking. Who knows. He was graded as a possible first round talent last year. He did really well his rookie year. I think there are other factors at work for him. If he sucks next year too, then we likely have our answer.
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
Next Denver HC has to be someone with some experience. No more rookie Coaches PLEASE. Take the John Fox route again.
"I may not be a mathematician, but I can count to a million." - Shannon Sharpe
Why? Every single head coach in this league started out as a "rookie coach". What's to say Denver doesn't hire the next Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, etc.? I don't really care who the head coach is personally, so long as he delegates authority, lets the coordinators run their system and/or tailor the systems to best fit with the players currently on the roster.
"Milk is for babies. When you grow up, you have to drink beer" -Arnold
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
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