Thread: NFL has lost its mind

I guess I don't an issue with holding a group of people who are sticklers for rules accountable.

Regarding Hawg's point about math and the like - that's actually a point for 'my side' of the argument, but that will turn into politics.

No one should have a problem with this.

Originally Posted by Nomad

Majority of the country agrees with you, Lawdog. It is a joke.

Source?

Originally Posted by Poet

I guess I don't an issue with holding a group of people who are sticklers for rules accountable.

Regarding Hawg's point about math and the like - that's actually a point for 'my side' of the argument, but that will turn into politics.

No one should have a problem with this.

Yes they should.

It's horseshit.

Not the end of the world tho.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Yes they should.

It's horseshit.

Not the end of the world tho.

Don't tempt 2020 into making this somehow the end of the world, Hawg.

Plz.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

100k because ipse dixit and pushback.

Eh, way of the world.

It's patently asinine, Fangio shouldn't be fined.

This is why we teach math, and then physics.

This will end up in politics.

You think he should have been suspended instead of fined? Even though the league warned clubs after the week one violations, I think a fine makes more sense than suspending a head coach.

Originally Posted by Tned

You think he should have been suspended instead of fined? Even though the league warned clubs after the week one violations, I think a fine makes more sense than suspending a head coach.

Rules is rules. No prob with that.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Rules is rules. No prob with that.

From what I saw on Redzone channel, all 32 teams should have been fined for coaches, or staff not wearing. Look at tonight’s game, if Gruden, and Payton, Raiders, and Saints aren’t fined, it is even more a joke.

Originally Posted by Nomad

From what I saw on Redzone channel, all 32 teams should have been fined for coaches, or staff not wearing. Look at tonight’s game, if Gruden, and Payton, Raiders, and Saints aren’t fined, it is even more a joke.

Power struggle. Maybe the coaches don't pay and fight it, who knows. That's a big ass fine.

I don't know. My own view is one thing and the NFL has some rules, so there you go. As far as the product on the field, well, it's in slings, braces, and not dressing on gameday, so...

given what he makes, i wish elway could've fined him 200k for not taking the gawd damn timeouts last week. . . he should write this one off as a fair exchange, IMO. . .

Originally Posted by LawDog

Fangio fined $100,000 and the Broncos $250,000 for not wearing a mask on the sideline.

With all the testing and restrictions, there is essentially zero risk here. The players on the field don’t wear masks. Not being political in any way, but this is effing stupid.

As a lawyer, I think you understand the stick and the carrot. It's punitive by design, just like all the other fines in the NFL.

Originally Posted by Buff

As a lawyer, I think you understand the stick and the carrot. It's punitive by design, just like all the other fines in the NFL.

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a rule in place, and that the NFL can levy fines for those who break said rule. I'm saying that the rule itself is stupid on its face because 1) the extensive protocols in place for testing, etc. throughout the week, and 2) the obvious conflict between allowing 47 players from each team to not wear masks while physically exerting themselves, but requiring everyone else on the sideline to wear a mask as if it has any basis at all in logic.

I think Tned mentioned that the rule was a result of the NFLPA and the NFL setting covid rules so the season could move forward. How does the player's union have any standing at all to agree to mandate that sideline personnel have to wear masks during games while the players do not?

Additionally, I think the level of fines is way, way beyond "reasonable." Carrot and stick requires some sort of balance - the carrot can't be a piece of gum and the stick a piece of dynamite.

Does Bill Bellicheck wearing a mask with the bottom half folded in exposing his mouth and nose meet the "wear a mask" guideline? How does allowing a coach to pull down the mask to make a play call, but then put it back up make any sense? Where do you draw the line on what was too long before recovering your mouth and what was "just right"? How does an inactive player in street clothes not wearing a mask on the sideline be allowable because he is a player and not a coach? I could go on, but why? It's a stupid situation.

I'm back to having moved on...

Originally Posted by LawDog

I'm not suggesting that there isn't a rule in place, and that the NFL can levy fines for those who break said rule. I'm saying that the rule itself is stupid on its face because 1) the extensive protocols in place for testing, etc. throughout the week, and 2) the obvious conflict between allowing 47 players from each team to not wear masks while physically exerting themselves, but requiring everyone else on the sideline to wear a mask as if it has any basis at all in logic.

I think Tned mentioned that the rule was a result of the NFLPA and the NFL setting covid rules so the season could move forward. How does the player's union have any standing at all to agree to mandate that sideline personnel have to wear masks during games while the players do not?

Additionally, I think the level of fines is way, way beyond "reasonable." Carrot and stick requires some sort of balance - the carrot can't be a piece of gum and the stick a piece of dynamite.

Does Bill Bellicheck wearing a mask with the bottom half folded in exposing his mouth and nose meet the "wear a mask" guideline? How does allowing a coach to pull down the mask to make a play call, but then put it back up make any sense? Where do you draw the line on what was too long before recovering your mouth and what was "just right"? How does an inactive player in street clothes not wearing a mask on the sideline be allowable because he is a player and not a coach? I could go on, but why? It's a stupid situation.

I'm back to having moved on...

I suggest that you interview for the job of head council for the NFLPA and then in future negotiations you can address their, and the NFL's, insanity.

The players are ALSO fined for not wearing masks at the practice facility, when not practicing/physically exerting themselves when wearing a mask isn't feasible. Fined for going to a bar or nightclub (I believe all players are required to wear tracking devices), but for some narrow, allowed cases (less than 10 people in bar AND wearing a mask), etc.

The players and the NFL know that there is an 11 billion dollar golden egg, of which the players get more than half, at stake. They are working together to try and insure that there is a season, complete to the Super Bowl. Whether it's players breaking the AGREED upon rules that get fined, or coaches breaking the AGREED upon rules that get fined, that's on them, not the NFL or NFLPA.

Testing can be wrong and people break the rules.

/argument.

It's that simple.

Originally Posted by Tned

I suggest that you interview for the job of head council for the NFLPA and then in future negotiations you can address their, and the NFL's, insanity.

The players are ALSO fined for not wearing masks at the practice facility, when not practicing/physically exerting themselves when wearing a mask isn't feasible. Fined for going to a bar or nightclub (I believe all players are required to wear tracking devices), but for some narrow, allowed cases (less than 10 people in bar AND wearing a mask), etc.

The players and the NFL know that there is an 11 billion dollar golden egg, of which the players get more than half, at stake. They are working together to try and insure that there is a season, complete to the Super Bowl. Whether it's players breaking the AGREED upon rules that get fined, or coaches breaking the AGREED upon rules that get fined, that's on them, not the NFL or NFLPA.

None of this addresses the issues I pointed out in the post you quoted.

But I’m really not gonna get into this any further, especially on Gene Mingo’s birthday for Pete’s sake.

Originally Posted by LawDog

None of this addresses the issues I pointed out in the post you quoted.

But I’m really not gonna get into this any further, especially on Gene Mingo’s birthday for Pete’s sake.

If it's your 53 guys spitting and breathing, then you simply don't understand what the NFL and NFLPAs goal is - to do EVERYTHING possible to have a full season.

They aren't taking the, "well, since these guys can't wear a mask while playing, we simply won't have anyone wear a mask on game day" simplistic view if things.