Thread: Trading Up To 10?

Originally Posted by Northman

Could be a smoke screen to get other teams to panic.

It’s BS season, baby.

More then likely we are just getting teams to panic so some guys we want drop. If any trades happen its us moving back in rd 1 or using and 2nd and 3rd to move back into rd 1 later.

Denver could get all the up to Carolina pick with their 1st and 2nd round pick, I say do it and don’t look back. Throw in Bolles to cover the 10 point deficit.

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

If its for Simmons great, if its to take ruggs at 10 cause of the jets rumors at 11 I'm gonna be pissed.....

trading up for a WR. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

trading up for a WR. . .

Lolololololololololol

Uh oooooooh

You only go up to 10 in our position in a deep draft for 1 of 2 things:

1) a LT. If you’ve got a guy who looks to be a franchise LT, and you don’t have one, go get him.
2) the best defensive player available. If you think Brown or Okudah or Simmons might slip to 10 then take your shot.

You DO NOT burn draft capital to trade up for a WR where the second tier guys are very close to the 1st tier. It almost guaranteed that at least one of Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs will bust and a guy like Mims, Aiyuk, or Jefferson, etc will be successful. There just isn’t that much difference this year. None of the top WRs are Megatron or Julio Jones. Did I mention we already have a true #1 in Sutton? We need a Robin to his Batman not another Batman.

Something to think about, especially as it relates to WRs:

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Something to think about, especially as it relates to WRs:

I actually would not be surprised if this is the case. Because of the COVID thing it has made things a lot more different than before so scouts and GM's will have to rely on video tape the most when it comes to their player evaluations. GM's and such were not able to do a lot of one on one interviews with the players they are interested in so its going to make the draft very interesting this year. Dont be surprised if rumor or speculations about players when it comes to their attitudes/work ethics, etc plays a major role than in previous years.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

You only go up to 10 in our position in a deep draft for 1 of 2 things:

1) a LT. If you’ve got a guy who looks to be a franchise LT, and you don’t have one, go get him.
2) the best defensive player available. If you think Brown or Okudah or Simmons might slip to 10 then take your shot.

You DO NOT burn draft capital to trade up for a WR where the second tier guys are very close to the 1st tier. It almost guaranteed that at least one of Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs will bust and a guy like Mims, Aiyuk, or Jefferson, etc will be successful. There just isn’t that much difference this year. None of the top WRs are Megatron or Julio Jones. Did I mention we already have a true #1 in Sutton? We need a Robin to his Batman not another Batman.

I guess the first question is...so any of these tackle options look like bona fide franchise left tackles worthy of moving up for? I say no, but that's up to the team to decide.

Second question...and I'm sure homers will lynch me for this...but is Sutton a "true #1"? Or is he considered that due to lack of options? There are some things he's great at and could continue to develop, but there are also things that guys like Jeudy and Lamb are already better at. i think our QB situation the past 2 years, combined with a talent void at WR has pushed Sutton into a label. I'm not saying he isn't a WR1 or that he won't be for the next 8 years. But a half a season of being the only true threat on a team does not make one an elite talent.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Something to think about, especially as it relates to WRs:

This isn’t surprising. Was listening to a draft guy on the Pat Mayo podcast yesterday and he said it’s obviously an odd year, but also odd on the media side, because they aren’t having the off the record conversations with scouts and team personnel at various events and pro days, etc., etc., so there’s less information circling on their end too.

Originally Posted by Northman

I actually would not be surprised if this is the case. Because of the COVID thing it has made things a lot more different than before so scouts and GM's will have to rely on video tape the most when it comes to their player evaluations. GM's and such were not able to do a lot of one on one interviews with the players they are interested in so its going to make the draft very interesting this year. Dont be surprised if rumor or speculations about players when it comes to their attitudes/work ethics, etc plays a major role than in previous years.

Usually, teams only get 30 meetings. This year, teams are able to conduct unlimited meetings (albeit virtually), but no more than 3 hours per week with 1 prospect. This is Walter Football's current accounting for each team: https://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

The Broncos have visited with:

Brandon Aiyuk, WR, Arizona State (COM)
Cam Akers, RB, Florida State (COM)
Ross Blacklock, DT/3-4DE, TCU (COM)
Rodrigo Blankenship, K, Georgia (SR)
Dre Brown, RB, Illinois (PRO)
Cameron Clark, OT, Charlotte (EW)
Josiah Coatney, DT/3-4DE/NT, Ole Miss (COM)
Michael Danna, DE, Michigan (EW)
Cameron Dantzler, CB, Mississippi State (VIR)
Kevin Davidson, QB, Princeton (EW)
Quartney Davis, WR, Texas A&M (SR)
J.K. Dobbins, RB, Ohio State (COM)
Leki Fotu, DT/3-4DE/NT, Utah (VIR)
Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU (VIR)
Cordel Iwuagwu, G, TCU (EW)
Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU (COM)
Josh Jones, OT, Houston (VIR)
Dalton Keene, TE, Virginia Tech (COM)
CeeDee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma (COM)
Denzel Mims^, WR, Baylor (COM, VIR)
Elijah Riley, CB, Army (EW)
Henry Ruggs III, WR, Alabama (COM)
Laviska Shenault Jr., WR, Colorado (COM)
Stephen Sullivan, TE, LSU (SR)
Robert Windsor, DT/3-4DE, Penn State (VIR)
Tristan Wirfs, OT, Iowa (COM)

But, I look at some of these teams lists and I'm just like holy smokes.

For reference, here is who the Broncos visited last year: https://walterfootball.com/prospectmeetings/byteam/2019

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Absolutely. But the talent level between the first 4 OL and the next 4 is a lot closer than the talent level between the top 2 receivers and the next dozen or so.

Either way...it's a guessing game until next week

Big facts. there's a reason why the other WR's in the draft aren't where the big three WR's are.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I guess the first question is...so any of these tackle options look like bona fide franchise left tackles worthy of moving up for? I say no, but that's up to the team to decide.

Second question...and I'm sure homers will lynch me for this...but is Sutton a "true #1"? Or is he considered that due to lack of options? There are some things he's great at and could continue to develop, but there are also things that guys like Jeudy and Lamb are already better at. i think our QB situation the past 2 years, combined with a talent void at WR has pushed Sutton into a label. I'm not saying he isn't a WR1 or that he won't be for the next 8 years. But a half a season of being the only true threat on a team does not make one an elite talent.

I dont think you can really make that determination as of yet. He hasnt had a real QB until Lock showed up and ive seen him make some pretty incredible plays but he is still young so i dont think the verdict can even be made yet one way or the other. And i dont think anyone can proclaim any player in the draft who has not even played a down in the NFL to be better or a bonafide superstar yet either. I think people get far to enamored by college numbers when praising some of these guys.

Originally Posted by Poet

Big facts. there's a reason why the other WR's in the draft aren't where the big three WR's are.

Yes, because you cant fit them all at #1. Lol

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

You only go up to 10 in our position in a deep draft for 1 of 2 things:

1) a LT. If you’ve got a guy who looks to be a franchise LT, and you don’t have one, go get him.
2) the best defensive player available. If you think Brown or Okudah or Simmons might slip to 10 then take your shot.

You DO NOT burn draft capital to trade up for a WR where the second tier guys are very close to the 1st tier. It almost guaranteed that at least one of Lamb, Jeudy, or Ruggs will bust and a guy like Mims, Aiyuk, or Jefferson, etc will be successful. There just isn’t that much difference this year. None of the top WRs are Megatron or Julio Jones. Did I mention we already have a true #1 in Sutton? We need a Robin to his Batman not another Batman.

The second tier guys aren't close, though. I'm not hellbent on WR, and I don't think we're taking one, tbh. But you pick any one of your second round WR's and they don't really compare.

Moreover, the point of Robin is that he would one day take over for Batman, or be the number one. But let's be honest, having two talented monsters at WR isn't anything new. Denver wouldn't be breaking the mold there.

We already have one average LT, why draft another one in the first round? Why not sign the WR who completes the offense? You can't double Sutton now, which helps him out. Denver has the TE, the RB's, and now the WR's. As opposed to a LT in the first who isn't much more talented than a guy you can get in the second.

At least the WR's at the top have a lot of competition. We're in the worst era of LT football ever