Thread: Drew Lock

Originally Posted by Fire Bronc

John Elway had 10 starts in his first season. He had a 47.5% completion percentage, 14 int's, 28 sacks and had a 54.9 quarterback rating. Payton Manning started all 16 games his rookie year completing 56.7% of his passes with 28 int's, 22 sacks and a 71.2 quarterback rating. Drew Lock has 8 complete games under his belt, has dealt with two offensive coordinators in that time, and had a screwed up off season with no pre season games this year. Development takes time and lots of repetition, maybe a little patience is in order.

And people wanted john canned too.

Drew isnt Elway or Manning. To say "im not sure Drew is the guy or not" is okay.

To say, start someone else is okay. They are opinions and they are okay too.

Lock needs to play better I agree, but...

His targets need to catch the ball with better effort. Several balls were catchable, especially one to Fant that he should have caught

Shurmur needs to call a better game. They have no identity. They're effective at running the ball and the OLine appears somehow steadier.

Kudos to Bolles...

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

People use Elway and Manning as examples every time a young QB struggles. That's two examples over almost 40 years. Those are outliers. 99.9% of QBs who struggle early ain't turning into Elway and Manning. Can we please retire bringing up these two examples every time a young QB sucks?

It doesn't matter what quarterback you compare him to. Josh Allen completed 52.8% of the passes he attempted in his first 11 starts as a rookie with more int's then touchdowns. Year three he is passing at a 67.6% completion rate with 16 touchdowns and 4 int's and looks like the future for Buffalo. Carson Wentz looked like the future in Philly early on in his career as did Darnold with the Jets, how do they look now? There is no way to accurately assess a QB after his first eight games in the league, especially after the adversity Lock has gone through in his first season +. He may be the future, and he may crash and burn, at this point in time nobody has a clue what he is going to be, and the only way to find out is to give him time to develop
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Originally Posted by Fire Bronc

It doesn't matter what quarterback you compare him to. Josh Allen completed 52.8% of the passes he attempted in his first 11 starts as a rookie with more int's then touchdowns. Year three he is passing at a 67.6% completion rate with 16 touchdowns and 4 int's and looks like the future for Buffalo. Carson Wentz looked like the future in Philly early on in his career as did Darnold with the Jets, how do they look now? There is no way to accurately assess a QB after his first eight games in the league, especially after the adversity Lock has gone through in his first season +. He may be the future, and he may crash and burn, at this point in time nobody has a clue what he is going to be, and the only way to find out is to give him time to develop
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I agree, I just wish people would stop bringing up Elway and Manning every time a young QB struggles. Those were two #1 overall picks and two of the 3 or 4 highest rated draft prospects ever. If Trevor Lawrence, who is that level of a prospect, sucks next year, he will be a good comp for Elway and Manning's career trajectory. Lock was a second round pick. I still have a lot of hope for him and think he could be really good, but objectively he's far more likely to just be another guy than he is to be Elway or Manning.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I agree, I just wish people would stop bringing up Elway and Manning every time a young QB struggles. Those were two #1 overall picks and two of the 3 or 4 highest rated draft prospects ever. If Trevor Lawrence, who is that level of a prospect, sucks next year, he will be a good comp for Elway and Manning's career trajectory. Lock was a second round pick. I still have a lot of hope for him and think he could be really good, but objectively he's far more likely to just be another guy than he is to be Elway or Manning.

That is actually the reason I use the Elway and Manning comparison, aside from familiarity for Bronco fans. Elway and Manning were #1 overall picks and two of the best to ever play the game, and they still struggled early on. Most QB's will with very few exceptions. Lock, being a 2nd round QB, may or may not pan out, but it is way too early to make that assessment now.

Originally Posted by Northman

Its not controversial to mention it, thats my point. I dont know why you all get so triggered whenever people criticize a player.

It wasn’t your criticism that “triggered” me, it was you (and tons of other Broncos fans) already running for the exits after 9 games (3 bad games).

This is petulant, this is how Broncos fans are with QB’s ... I’m anticipating the “put in Rypien“ post from you any given Sunday.

Originally Posted by Jaded

It wasn’t your criticism that “triggered” me, it was you (and tons of other Broncos fans) already running for the exits after 9 games (3 bad games).

This is petulant, this is how Broncos fans are with QB’s ... I’m anticipating the “put in Rypien“ post from you any given Sunday.

Let the record state that not one single person on the board has called for Rypien to replace Lock. This is such a dumb narrative. Even the people here down on Lock are wanting him to play out this year at least to see if he can improve.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Let the record state that not one single person on the board has called for Rypien to replace Lock. This is such a dumb narrative. Even the people here down on Lock are wanting him to play out this year at least to see if he can improve.

Same question to you, if you don’t see it happening it must not be happening?

Originally Posted by Jaded

Same question to you, if you don’t see it happening it must not be happening?

Like I said, I don't care what the mouth breathers on Twitter and Facebook are saying. All 32 teams have total morons all over those platforms. There are probably people on Twitter calling for green bay to replace Rodgers with that rookie. Who cares?

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Like I said, I don't care what the mouth breathers on Twitter and Facebook are saying. All 32 teams have total morons all over those platforms. There are probably people on Twitter calling for green bay to replace Rodgers with that rookie. Who cares?

You’re the one taking issue with me mentioning it, if you don’t care what they think this discussion shouldn’t bother you.

I, am merely pointing out that I’ve been 100% right so far, and it’s only taking 9 games for that to prove out, it’s going to happen here too.

We’re also calling for coaching staff changes, every year, we complain that the Broncos “don’t have an identity” ... we’re 6 games into a new offensive system in a pandemic year with zero off-season/pre-season. Fangio is a defensive rockstar who made a common mistake with a TO. It’s us fans that lack vision, tunnel vision focused on meaningless wins with absolutely no tolerance for how to build something long term.

My phone is blowing up every week from friends; “fire Elway” ... “blow it up” ... “sell the team” ... “Lock sucks, see what we got with Rypien”. These aren’t mouth-breathers, I assure you.

It’s also fascinating to me that NFL organizations are the same way, as hard as it’s been for Denver to find a QB post-PFM they can’t afford to expect Justin Herbert/Myhomie instant success, hopefully they’re more patient with Lock (and/or his replacement) than Washington was with Haskins.

Originally Posted by Jaded

It wasn’t your criticism that “triggered” me, it was you (and tons of other Broncos fans) already running for the exits after 9 games (3 bad games).

This is petulant, this is how Broncos fans are with QB’s ... I’m anticipating the “put in Rypien“ post from you any given Sunday.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Like I said, I don't care what the mouth breathers on Twitter and Facebook are saying. All 32 teams have total morons all over those platforms. There are probably people on Twitter calling for green bay to replace Rodgers with that rookie. Who cares?

pre-emptive butthurt. . . it's a solid defensive posture!

Originally Posted by Jaded

You’re the one taking issue with me mentioning it, if you don’t care what they think this discussion shouldn’t bother you.

I, am merely pointing out that I’ve been 100% right so far, and it’s only taking 9 games for that to prove out, it’s going to happen here too.

We’re also calling for coaching staff changes, every year, we complain that the Broncos “don’t have an identity” ... we’re 6 games into a new offensive system in a pandemic year with zero off-season/pre-season. Fangio is a defensive rockstar who made a common mistake with a TO. It’s us fans that lack vision, tunnel vision focused on meaningless wins with absolutely no tolerance for how to build something long term.

My phone is blowing up every week from friends; “fire Elway” ... “blow it up” ... “sell the team” ... “Lock sucks, see what we got with Rypien”. These aren’t mouth-breathers, I assure you.

It’s also fascinating to me that NFL organizations are the same way, as hard as it’s been for Denver to find a QB post-PFM they can’t afford to expect Justin Herbert/Myhomie instant success, hopefully they’re more patient with Lock (and/or his replacement) than Washington was with Haskins.

Does it make you feel better about yourself to come on this board and dunk on Facebook and Twitter commenters?

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Does it make you feel better about yourself to come on this board and dunk on Facebook and Twitter commenters?

What kind of question is that? Just put me on ignore, because I do rather enjoy dunking on Broncos fans ... we’re ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Jaded

What kind of question is that? Just put me on ignore, because I do rather enjoy dunking on Broncos fans ... we’re ridiculous.

Every sports team in existence has dumb fans. We aren't special.

I think the issue here is that you're acting like you're the smart one and everyone else is dumb, when in reality you're talking about a small vocal minority of the fanbase. Most of us agree with you that Lock needs time. Relax.