Thread: Too Fast?

Originally Posted by Poet

We can't really just point to Ross, and I agree with that. We can point out busts all the time at all positions. But let's be honest, if the WR can't catch, and Ross is worthless, it doesn't matter how fast they run.

Doesn't mean you don't take elite burners that beat that ass on the field.

I can give you a list instead of more then Just Benjamin and Ross if you would like....they were just to make points about being 1 trick pony's whether it be speed or a jump ball, your longevity as a WR isnt that great. If people want to know a good WR this year or one that can sustain success, and are under the impression we need a burner. Then draft the guy with the top speed, who has shown he can catch the balls throughout a varied catch radius, can beat a jam off the line and has a expanded route tree, thats what we actually need.

I think a fast WR is a good thing, the point is if thats all it is then the prospect is a waste....I was just looking at all the very fast WR's the last 4 years at walterfootball, not alot of tyreek hill studs......

2019
https://walterfootball.com/draft2019WR.php

2018
https://walterfootball.com/draft2018WR.php

2017
https://walterfootball.com/draft2017WR.php

2016
https://walterfootball.com/draft2016WR.php

It's not about a list. We've had so many drafts with so many players we can cherry pick all day if you want.

Of course we want more than just speed. But we can't act like the posters advocating for a true burner WR are just asking for a guy who can run basic routes and not catch.

Originally Posted by Poet

It's not about a list. We've had so many drafts with so many players we can cherry pick all day if you want.

Of course we want more than just speed. But we can't act like the posters advocating for a true burner WR are just asking for a guy who can run basic routes and not catch.

i edited a little late, I want speed to, but the whole speed, combine WR thing....Irving actually has a point.....

Originally Posted by Elevation inc

i edited a little late, I want speed to, but the whole speed, combine WR thing....Irving actually has a point.....

I don't think so. You'd have to show me all the burner WRs who were expected to be Hall of Famers and compare that bust rate to the non-burners, even though the bulk of the Pro Bowlers at WR are considered to have NFL (fast) speed with about 4.4's...that's sorta my point.

I got nothing left to contribute fam. Sorry for not having more to offer. I'm a little spent.

Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce were both burners.

Holt was sub 4.4. Bruce didn't clock as fast as you would think. He was 4.48-4.55

Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Holt, and there are other hall of famers.

Then you have guys like DeSean Jackson, Mike Wallace, Chad Johnson, Amari Cooper, Fuller, etc.

No, he doesn't have a point. We can find a fair share of elite speed WR's who had careers ranging from average to close to all-time best. FFS, Donte Stallworth wasn't exactly an all-pro and he still impacted a lot games just by being on the field.

Hill doesn't *need* to catch 8 balls a game to impact the game. On the flip side, guys like Harrison could catch 10 passes a game, and guys who made defenses honest like Mike Wallace are worth a few pro bowls here and there

Crack cocaine is a hell of a drug, Tyrone Biggums.

Originally Posted by Poet

Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison, Holt, and there are other hall of famers.

Then you have guys like DeSean Jackson, Mike Wallace, Chad Johnson, Amari Cooper, Fuller, etc.

No, he doesn't have a point. We can find a fair share of elite speed WR's who had careers ranging from average to close to all-time best. FFS, Donte Stallworth wasn't exactly an all-pro and he still impacted a lot games just by being on the field.

Hill doesn't *need* to catch 8 balls a game to impact the game. On the flip side, guys like Harrison could catch 10 passes a game, and guys who made defenses honest like Mike Wallace are worth a few pro bowls here and there

He said no one with a sub 4.3 has a gold jacket, was he wrong? that was his main point.....the rest is subjective and exampels exist all over the place on all sides....but for me I have yet to see a burner dominate unless they have the tools i mnetioned a thousand times in conjuction with speed.....Wallace was a bum, Desean flamed out outside of philly, cooper is overrated, Fuller is always hurt.....like Moss, Harrison holt, did they have some speed sure were they tyreek hill fast not really.....not to mention pads change things i knew plenty of WR's growing up who could straightline dominate and were slower in pads.....Speed in itself is overated at the WR position unless you bring more to the table....its been pretty much proven througout the game....

Having listened to Irvin, he was exaggerating to make a point. Considering he was a slower WR, I think he was just sour grapes. Okay, I'm being sarcastic there a bit.

But seriously, you're considered a burner if you run a 4.3, so limiting it to 4.2's and lower is a strange demarcation.

Originally Posted by Poet

Having listened to Irvin, he was exaggerating to make a point. Considering he was a slower WR, I think he was just sour grapes. Okay, I'm being sarcastic there a bit.

But seriously, you're considered a burner if you run a 4.3, so limiting it to 4.2's and lower is a strange demarcation.

Okay lets do this f what Irving said. I'm saying it....4.3, 4.2 speed means nothing if you bring nothing else to the table period.....This has literally been proven by 1st rd and 2nd rd busts at the position over and over and over again.....all those names you said who had good speed....Harrison, Johnson, holt, moss...catch radius, route running, beating the jam off the line.....thats what paved their way not their 4.3 40 time......

Hey...don't get crass with me. I'm just a Poet, man.

Originally Posted by Poet

Hey...don't get crass with me. I'm just a Poet, man.

Fair enough