how many rings would drew have if he'd had the other teams' signals and gameplans, and billy boy coordinating his defenses?
Notorious D.O.G.
how many rings would drew have if he'd had the other teams' signals and gameplans, and billy boy coordinating his defenses?
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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He can't even use the Pats cheating as an excuse that he didn't win more. Not even in the same conference as them.Originally Posted by dogfish
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Stats don't lie.
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How many guys left the Saints and showed the same level of production?
How many offensive skill players left Drew Brees and looked as good or better than they did with him under center?
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Ingram has done well in Baltimore. Cooks was good his first two years out of Nola before falling off last year. Reggie Bush had his 3 best rushing seasons in Miami and Detroit. Graham's production did drop off a bit in Seattle but he was still decent.
Which players fell off a cliff after leaving Brees?
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The real root question here is how many receivers and backs has Brees had that have been All Pro level? Colston? Moore? Horn? Henderson? Not exactly a laundry list of all time greats. Colston was a 7th round draft pick out of Hofstra (and originally from my hometown) and he ended up as the Saints all time receiving leader.
When you surround a great QB with mostly also-rans...the odds of them being great when they leave aren't exactly in their favor.
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you missed my point, which is that winning rings is hard when you don't cheat. . . people are talking about wilson and rogers? they have the same number of rings that drew does-- and rogers has just as many playoff chokes, yet people still call him an all-time great. . . and deservedly so. . . you also mentioned a defensive TD helping brees out. . . well, shit. . . rogers got one of those from BJ raji during his lone super bowl run. . . oh, and ben rapenstein got a defensive TD from james harrison during his second super bowl. . . after being basically gifted his first ring by the refs. . .
also, peyton manning got a defensive TD in his second super bowl-- and a few other big plays from the D, as well. . . does this mean he's also an overrated stat compiler? i guess terry bradshaw is the real G.O.A.T. . . there's a guy who won a bunch of rings, and didn't compile a bunch of useless stats. . .
- John Elway“When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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None have done as well in the passing game as they did in NOLA. None have had the personal or team success they did in NOLA.
Drew has made the Saints go since he got here. Russell Wilson and Ben would not have won as many games or done as well here as Drew has.
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Cooks had his highest receiving yards season with the Rams.
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And? One stat. Good job. Brees is a guaranteed first ballot HOF'er. That's not overrated, that's reality, but enjoy your dreamland.
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Lol. Spygate was real.
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The fact that you don't think Wilson could have every bit the success there makes it hard to take your argument here very seriously. Brees has the best WR in football and couldn't win a home wild card game. Wilson was playing with some rookie WRs and Marshawn Lynch's corpse and dragged that team to the divisional round and damn near stole that game. Wilson is one of the two best QBs in football right now. Not sure Brees has ever been able to say that.
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And you can still film sidelines to this day.
Most overblown story of the decade but if it makes you feel better about your team's many 8-8 seasons then so be it.
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You can't film signals. They cheated and were punished. Move on with your life.
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