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    Surprisingly interesting and well researched.

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    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    I want to watch that but I don’t have 25 minutes of internet to do so.

    Is The Cure goth? Who else? What’s the difference between goth and post punk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    I want to watch that but I don’t have 25 minutes of internet to do so.

    Is The Cure goth? Who else? What’s the difference between goth and post punk?
    That's right, lo siento pal.

    Summary - Niko plays a huge role, and this is the prime reason I thought you would like. Goth and post-punk are more offshoots of Velvet than punk, even though there is more seeming evolution from punk into bands like Joy Division, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, etc. In particular, the video describes how Niko sort of invented the goth-girl ethos from scratch when she died her hair red and made The Marble Index.

    Certainly she was a product of her time and culture...but was used as a lever for 'goth'.
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    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    A lot was also made of the band suicide.

    Who else is goth?

    They touch on a usual suspects list culminating in the MCR Vamp Wknd type acts, but it doesn't get into the line between kind of overt goth like Skinny Puppy and implied goth like NiN.

    Goth v post punk...

    Post punk they define as those groups that took punk in a new direction (Clash, Gang of Four, etc) and Goth as a post post punk. Somehow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting
    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    That's right, lo siento pal.

    Summary - Niko plays a huge role, and this is the prime reason I thought you would like. Goth and post-punk are more offshoots of Velvet than punk, even though there is more seeming evolution from punk into bands like Joy Division, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, etc. In particular, the video describes how Niko sort of invented the goth-girl ethos from scratch when she died her hair red and made The Marble Index.

    Certainly she was a product of her time and culture...but was used as a lever for 'goth'.
    Gotcha. I’ve always identified more with VU weird alt rock music that carries an attitude of punk ethos. Post-punk has melodies and a great aesthetic.

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    I don’t know if this really fits the thread but I’m going to ask anyway. What’s your opinion of NOFX, Hawg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    A lot was also made of the band suicide.

    Who else is goth?

    They touch on a usual suspects list culminating in the MCR Vamp Wknd type acts, but it doesn't get into the line between kind of overt goth like Skinny Puppy and implied goth like NiN.

    Goth v post punk...

    Post punk they define as those groups that took punk in a new direction (Clash, Gang of Four, etc) and Goth as a post post punk. Somehow.
    Where does emo fit into all of this? Jawbreaker et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    I don’t know if this really fits the thread but I’m going to ask anyway. What’s your opinion of NOFX, Hawg?
    Good punk band with a distinctive and healthy irreverence. One of my favs at a certain point because they were less pretentious about their punk ethos than some. Plus songs like this kind of kick ass. That's me. You like 'em?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sting
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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    Where does emo fit into all of this? Jawbreaker et al.
    Emo doesn't fit in anywhere. It's emo and doesn't want or need you. Except deep down it does.
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    This thread is in my wheelhouse, but I am literally on my way out the door for Christmas vacation. Like wife yelling at me top log off

    Merry Christmas errybody!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    Emo doesn't fit in anywhere. It's emo and doesn't want or need you. Except deep down it does.
    Emo is merely the culmination of Nico, post-punk, goth, and hardcore punk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    Good punk band with a distinctive and healthy irreverence. One of my favs at a certain point because they were less pretentious about their punk ethos than some. Plus songs like this kind of kick ass. That's me. You like 'em?

    I have about 8 of their CDs. Pretty talented musicians as far as most punk rock bands go. I listened to them heavily in the early to mid 90s. I think White Trash Two Heebs and a Bean might have been my favorite disc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    I have about 8 of their CDs. Pretty talented musicians as far as most punk rock bands go. I listened to them heavily in the early to mid 90s. I think White Trash Two Heebs and a Bean might have been my favorite disc.
    Nice. You ever get into Dead Milkmen?
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    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    Nice. You ever get into Dead Milkmen?
    A little of their stuff along with Sex Pistols, Black Flag and the Dead Kennedy’s when I was a teenager riding skateboards.

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