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    So we've now reached the time of year where BTB complains about how stupid/antiquated the current playoff seeding system is and he gets met with the tired "but winning your division should matter!!1!1!1!!! 1!11!" takes.

    We are currently on our way to the very real possibility that a 7-9 NFC East champ (Dallas or Philly) could be hosting a first round playoff game against a 13-3 wild card team in Seattle or San Francisco.

    The fact that this can still happen is just utterly ridiculous. There is just no reason whatsoever that the playoffs shouldn't be reseeded by record. If you want to let a division champ into the playoffs with a losing record that's fine, but they should have to go on the road and play the 3 seed in the first round.

    Please NFL, stop rewarding mediocrity and giving home playoff games to teams that have the good fortune of playing in a division with 3 other awful teams. Get with the times and fix this.

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    Meh, a 13-3 team should beat the snot out of a 7-9 team wherever the game is played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Meh, a 13-3 team should beat the snot out of a 7-9 team wherever the game is played.
    Not my point at all. They shouldn't have to play that game on the road at all. They shouldn't even have to play in the first round if they have a top 2 record.

    Slipping to the 5 seed also makes you have to play the 1 seed in the divisional round if the 3 wins.

    Stop rewarding bad teams with favorable playoff seeding and punishing good ones.

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    OK Millennial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Meh, a 13-3 team should beat the snot out of a 7-9 team wherever the game is played.
    Pretty much

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    Theoretical compromise, just throwing this out as an idea. If you win the division, you get home field advantage, unless the team you would be hosting has three or more wins than you do. That way you still reward a division winner, and that buffer also demonstrates that while the league is one of parity, we are okay with some results being out of skew with parity, because we like the divisions to mean something. The buffer also demonstrates that we only like that out of skew result to a certain point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    Theoretical compromise, just throwing this out as an idea. If you win the division, you get home field advantage, unless the team you would be hosting has three or more wins than you do. That way you still reward a division winner, and that buffer also demonstrates that while the league is one of parity, we are okay with some results being out of skew with parity, because we like the divisions to mean something. The buffer also demonstrates that we only like that out of skew result to a certain point.
    Nah fam. I already compromised by letting division champs into the playoffs in the first place. In a perfect world, you don't allow a team with a losing record into the playoffs at all. But because I am both brilliant and a great person, I'm willing to compromise with those who aren't as forward thinking as me and let these unworthy division winners still have their playoff game where they get to go on the road and get smashed by a better team.

    The world truly doesn't deserve someone with my compassion and intellect.

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    Well while on the playoff talk....

    If we win out.
    Chefs lose out.
    Pitts loses 3 of their next 4..
    ....and maybe one other things involving the titans

    We make the playoffs as AFCW champs
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
    Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Quote Originally Posted by underrated29 View Post
    Well while on the playoff talk....

    If we win out.
    Chefs lose out.
    Pitts loses 3 of their next 4..
    ....and maybe one other things involving the titans

    We make the playoffs as AFCW champs
    Us winning the division would have nothing to do with how Pitt or Tennessee do.

    Nether of us even play Pitt this year so they are completely irrelevant to any possible strength of schedule tiebreaker.

    If we and KC were to both finish 8-8 we'd win the tiebreaker. We'd both be 4-2 in division, we'd both be 6-6 against common opponents, and we'd be 7-5 in conference compared to 6-6 for KC.

    So we'd win the division clean regardless of how any other team did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoWave View Post
    Nah fam. I already compromised by letting division champs into the playoffs in the first place. In a perfect world, you don't allow a team with a losing record into the playoffs at all. But because I am both brilliant and a great person, I'm willing to compromise with those who aren't as forward thinking as me and let these unworthy division winners still have their playoff game where they get to go on the road and get smashed by a better team.

    The world truly doesn't deserve someone with my compassion and intellect.
    How many teams could get in that wouldn't be division winners in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    How many teams could get in that wouldn't be division winners in the first place?
    If you just let the top 6 records in, the Rams and Bears, both of whom would be out in the current system, would go in over the cowboys based on record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoWave View Post
    If you just let the top 6 records in, the Rams and Bears, both of whom would be out in the current system, would go in over the cowboys based on record.
    So we would just use the divisions as a means of organization, and okay that makes sense. But, if we are doing a total wins mean all mentality, and I don't have an issue with that, would we have to abandon the divisions? Because if a wins are all that matters thing is in place, it'd still be a huge advantage to whatever teams play in awful ones, especially consistently bad divisions. So, what would we do? It doesn't make sense to me to have the divisions and not have winning it matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King87 View Post
    So we would just use the divisions as a means of organization, and okay that makes sense. But, if we are doing a total wins mean all mentality, and I don't have an issue with that, would we have to abandon the divisions? Because if a wins are all that matters thing is in place, it'd still be a huge advantage to whatever teams play in awful ones, especially consistently bad divisions. So, what would we do? It doesn't make sense to me to have the divisions and not have winning it matter.
    Part of me being an awesome person and compromising is that I'd allow divisions to remain so that fans can still have their rivalries to cheer for. Yeah you'd still have somewhat unbalanced schedules, but there will never be away to make everyone's schedule perfectly balanced.

    I just don't see how it makes sense that so much of an advantage is given in the playoffs just because you finished with a better record than 3 of the other 31 teams. It makes no logical sense.

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    I'd say get rid of division champions getting in regardless of record--just go straight W/L and tiebreaks for seeding.

    If divisions are so meaningful, then being division champ and hanging that banner is your reward!

    Otherwise, let the good teams play in the postseason. That's the content I want.

    Not 7-9 scrubs (presumably) getting bounced in the first or second round. I want that #6 seed that eeked in on a hot streak at 10-6 and ends up crushing the postseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    I'd say get rid of division champions getting in regardless of record--just go straight W/L and tiebreaks for seeding.

    If divisions are so meaningful, then being division champ and hanging that banner is your reward!

    Otherwise, let the good teams play in the postseason. That's the content I want.

    Not 7-9 scrubs (presumably) getting bounced in the first or second round. I want that #6 seed that eeked in on a hot streak at 10-6 and ends up crushing the postseason.
    I agree that this is the most desirable endgame. Unfortunately people are too resistant to change to allow such a radical change to happen overnight. So you start with the baby steps of seeding by record, then once people get used to that you move onto not guaranteeing division winners a playoff spot.

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