Thread: So Lock audibled into that TD?

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

depends if he saw the safety shading towards the center of the field all drive. And felt he could attack the corner. But it is interesting.

There was a couple routes called during the game, that were short of the sticks.

Good point.

Waldren from LA and Taylor from Buffalo should be prime candidates for our next OC. Scangs was not just bad because he was dealt Flacco and Allen. He's bad because he's predictable, conservative, and honestly he's not that bright. Gie Lock what he needs to succeed. Give him better playcalling and a brighter mind to work in tandem with.

I like the call etc.

However. . .

I have to wonder what everyone is saying this morning if Sutton doesn't catch that. It was an amazing catch, but at the time I thought had the referee called it incomplete, that it might not be able to be overturned. Certainly, it was not a sure thing.

Imagine Sutton doesn't make that catch and we lose the game and it comes out Lock changed the play. . .. we all still jumping for joy? Maybe, I don't know. But this kind of smacks of motivated reasoning.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

I like the call etc.

However. . .

I have to wonder what everyone is saying this morning if Sutton doesn't catch that. It was an amazing catch, but at the time I thought had the referee called it incomplete, that it might not be able to be overturned. Certainly, it was not a sure thing.

Imagine Sutton doesn't make that catch and we lose the game and it comes out Lock changed the play. . .. we all still jumping for joy? Maybe, I don't know. But this kind of smacks of motivational reasoning.

Maybe, but had he not caught it we wouldn't have known about the change.

Originally Posted by Davii

Maybe, but had he not caught it we wouldn't have known about the change.

I think you might be obliquely proving my point.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

I think you might be obliquely proving my point.

Agreed. I don't think it's a reach to say we're excited about something that went well and we wouldn't be excited had it not.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

I like the call etc.

However. . .

I have to wonder what everyone is saying this morning if Sutton doesn't catch that. It was an amazing catch, but at the time I thought had the referee called it incomplete, that it might not be able to be overturned. Certainly, it was not a sure thing.

Imagine Sutton doesn't make that catch and we lose the game and it comes out Lock changed the play. . .. we all still jumping for joy? Maybe, I don't know. But this kind of smacks of motivated reasoning.

Well, we haven't won a whole lot of games with the plays they do call so it wouldn't be much different.

Here's the thing -- there's just NO way you ever want your ROOKIE QB -- who is making his FIRST NFL start -- to be freelancing and telling WRs which route to run in the huddle.

It'd be another thing if he audibled to the call at the line of scrimmage based on the defense he saw... But that's not what happened. He basically just overruled the play call because he felt like it. That's not going to be a recipe for longterm success in this league. And it might be the biggest indictment of Scangarello that I've heard to date to have his rookie QB overruling his playcalling his first NFL start.

Originally Posted by Buff

Here's the thing -- there's just NO way you ever want your ROOKIE QB -- who is making his FIRST NFL start -- to be freelancing and telling WRs which route to run in the huddle.

It'd be another thing if he audibled to the call at the line of scrimmage based on the defense he saw... But that's not what happened. He basically just overruled the play call because he felt like it. That's not going to be a recipe for longterm success in this league. And it might be the biggest indictment of Scangarello that I've heard to date to have his rookie QB overruling his playcalling his first NFL start.

To be fair, I don't think he changed the call on a wholesale level, just told Sutton to run a different route.

Originally Posted by Buff

Here's the thing -- there's just NO way you ever want your ROOKIE QB -- who is making his FIRST NFL start -- to be freelancing and telling WRs which route to run in the huddle.

It'd be another thing if he audibled to the call at the line of scrimmage based on the defense he saw... But that's not what happened. He basically just overruled the play call because he felt like it. That's not going to be a recipe for longterm success in this league. And it might be the biggest indictment of Scangarello that I've heard to date to have his rookie QB overruling his playcalling his first NFL start.

I'm going to withhold final judgment on Lock and Scangs for a year or so.

We are so thirsty for hope we are basically pissing ourselves out of control like a happy dog.

Scangs made Allen look competent for a little while.

Let's see what we got when the low hanging fruit is gone and this unit has to evolve and adapt.

...that moment when you realize how unsexy is the person with the pump the brakes message...

I find it more telling Sutton was eager to do it.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'm going to withhold final judgment on Lock and Scangs for a year or so.

We are so thirsty for hope we are basically pissing ourselves out of control like a happy dog.

Scangs made Allen look competent for a little while.

Let's see what we got when the low hanging fruit is gone and this unit has to evolve and adapt.

...that moment when you realize how unsexy is the person with the pump the brakes message...

I've been a defender of the guy. I want to believe in him... I'm just saying the evidence is starting to mount -- Sanders quitting on the team, the report about Fangio second guessing everything he does on gameday, Lock overruling him, and then even in Fangio's postgame presser he admitted that he overruled Scangarello taking a knee at the end.

(Not to mention all the stats and the eyeball test, which also suck.)

I still want the guy to work out - but once the guys lose faith in your abilities, you're a dead man walking. Gotta have credibility in the lockerroom. Not saying that's definitely the case - but I'm mildly concerned that he might not be the guy.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'm going to withhold final judgment on Lock and Scangs for a year or so.

We are so thirsty for hope we are basically pissing ourselves out of control like a happy dog.

Scangs made Allen look competent for a little while.

Let's see what we got when the low hanging fruit is gone and this unit has to evolve and adapt.

...that moment when you realize how unsexy is the person with the pump the brakes message...

I can't withhold judgment on Scangs. He's done zero things right other than get one decent game out of Allen.

We are thirsty for hope. But if a dehydrated man finds a bottle of water does that magic the water any less real?

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

pretty impressive for a rook.

This makes Scang look even worse.

Or it makes Fangio look worse. He's the one responsible for the game plan. He's not a helpless bystander, he's in charge. He reportedly over-ruled Scangio on the last minute deep sideline to Sutton that resulted in a penalty.

Originally Posted by King87

I can't withhold judgment on Scangs. He's done zero things right other than get one decent game out of Allen.

We are thirsty for hope. But if a dehydrated man finds a bottle of water does that magic the water any less real?

Flacco was built for his offense. Allen and Lock are with bootlegs. I think it would show more if run can takes off and I lay action works more. But with our OL I think it hampers the play calling since this OL struggles in all ways.