How do you earn the right to not be fired in a what have you done for me lately business? How do you earn the right to not be fired, via several more years on a contract when you have rebuilding results via record, but not rebuilding results via talent on the time. It's not just three losing seasons. It's three losing seasons with the same mistakes being made at QB again and again.
The Broncos haven't had back to back to back losing seasons since the old AFL days of the 1970s. He has NOT earned endless loyalty. A SB win gets you a few seasons of failure. That ends with this season.
Elway is widely expected not to want to return on another contract by people who claim to know him.
That's the point. He doesn't want to rebuild because he's not going to be here to benefit from it. By the time the Broncos have rebuilt with a new young drafted QB Elway is expected to be moving on.
Plus, Joe Ellis might be leaving too since he's expected to want to retire at some point, and the obvious point for Joe Ellis to leave would be when a new owner is appointed by the Trust, or if the Trust sells the team to a new owner.
That is expected to happen in the next couple years too, since they are grooming Bowlen's daughter to take over the team.
It all points to Elway and Ellis leaving at the same time. Could be Elway wants to stay? Maybe -- IF he's wildly successful in the mean time they might want him back.
Dude has over $150m. He doesn't have to do this stuff.
Last edited by Cugel; 11-13-2019 at 10:16 AM.
You're entirely right King. These guys have their heads up their butts and don't get it.
Elway should be fired not because of past failure or even for this season's failure.
It's because he flat doesn't get it. He's failed over and over to even identify the problems let alone fix them.
He has passed on QB after QB who has gone on to have NFL success. Lamar Jackson is only the latest one.
Meanwhile he's refused to address the OL, has made questionable FA acquisitions, and has meanwhile horribly mismanaged his own FAs (why are his best two defenders other than Von on expiring contracts expected to get big FA contracts from other teams -- Chris Harris and Justin Simmons)?
Just blatant incompetence. Either they walk, dramatically weakening the defense, or else the team has to overpay. Why were these key defenders not locked up before the season -- other teams manage to do that, why not the Broncos?
He deserves to be fired because there is no realistic chance the team is going to get appreciably better under his watch.
"Endless loyalty"
You clearly have reading comprehension problems. There's an end, he has a contract.
And that's where the loyalty line is drawn. You do not fire John Elway. You don't renew his contract and you "let him retire".
IF John can't handle it you let him retire early but you do not fire a John Elway. Like it or not he has brought much of the success we're spoiled by and he has earned loyalty through that.
Cugel - from one of your earlier posts - please post quotes, links, something which confirms what you stated
"Elway is widely expected not to want to return on another contract by people who claim to know him."
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